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Why did Jesus pray to the Father?
Since Jesus is God, how come He prayed to God? Wouldn't Jesus already have all the answers being that He, his self, is God? Please explain. Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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hahahaha LT -
There you go again making me smile :) Great impute bro. Lord bless you beloved.
LT is not saying we should not try to have answers for this type of questions, but His point is an awesome truth all of us need to understand and adopt.
1 Corinthians 13
12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
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Permalink Reply by Rod Askew on
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God Bless you LT.
As you have said, IF we can never have 100% clarity, then HOW can we ever be certain that we are right.
This answer is unkowable and subject to conjecture until Jesus returns.
It saddens me then when a possible brother in the Lord comes on with a different point of view (albieght heavily) and gets deleted as a heretic for not agreeing with the masses opinion.
Surely deleting him was a heavier condemnation that his statement.
The majority of churches teach triunity and yet other respected theologists teach that Jesus is not God but the Son of God.
What IF the majority of churches are wrong.
We have stopped searching the answers because we simply accept the opinions of others.
In truth, the Roman church incorporated the doctrine of the Trinity and whether right or wrong it is now foundational doctrine.
The lesson for everyone is never stop searching.
Certainly speculate and have a POV but do not condemn a brother who has a different POV as a heretic when he might be the only one who is right come judgement.
Let us deal with these matters in a Godly way and debate the issues with sound arguements and let everyone have an equal say in the matter.
Simply saying : "That's what I have been taught" or "because it is that way" is not a discussion it is more like a Monty Python skit.
Continue to bless us with sound reason and and the truth that we are certain of and discuss the rest in love.
Blessings
Rod
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Rod,
I did not say that we can "never" have 100% clarity. I said somethings are unknowable. I was speaking specifically to the question of the forum.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Hi LT,
Fair enough, my misunderstanding of your reply.
Can you show me with 100% clarity where the disciples ackowledged the Trinity.
Surely living and speaking with Jesus they would have known the absolute truth.
Blessings
Rod
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Hey Rod,
I can show you where the Bible declares all three are deity and these three are in perfect unity as one. If they are not one then the Scripture would have to be in error, and that cannot be.
DT 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
The Father needs no explanation.
Jesus:
JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
JN 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
JN 10:30 I and the Father are one."
JN 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Spirit
GE 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
RO 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
AC 5:3-4, 9 Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God." Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."
All Three:
MT 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
JN 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
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Permalink Reply by Ginnybee on
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Good point, LT. To answer your question, yes. However, the journey of comprehension intrigues me :D
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My POV regarding a question that does nto have an answer fully revealed in Scripture.
Jesus is full God and full man. He set aside His glory and entered into the physical body of a human being. He operated in that body, not as God (stay with me a moment), but as man. He was baptized. We recognize the Holy Spirit came and lighted on Him. He was led by the Holy Spirit. He operated in the power of the Holy Spirit. He was raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, full God, set the perfect example of what man can do when fully surrendered to God, filled with the Spirit and empowered by Him. Keep in mind that Jesus as sinless man was the only one acceptable to be the sacrificial Lamb of God. This only He could do. The majority of His life was teaching us various things leading up to the sacrifice. In that time of teaching He taught us how to live in union with God and dependant upon Him. Jesus, because He operated in the flesh (Godhead veiled) required prayer just as we do. If Jesus required prayer, then how much more do we? If we had no example of Jesus praying how many people would forego praying. In fact, we have Jesus' example and still have many who do not spend much time in prayer and often pray for things and forget to spend time in God's presence through this wonderful gift given to man called prayer.
Keep in mind that there are many aspects to prayer and even types of prayer listed in Scripture. Sometimes the prayer was short and to the point. Other times Jesus spent all night in prayer. We question why Jesus prayed (and I will sound a little judgmental here) when most people have never spent all night in prayer with God. If you have ever had God break through in prayer and experienced His presence in a unique and special way you will understand Jesus' desire to spend time in prayer while He was veiled in the flesh.
This comment is by no means comprehensive, but hoepfully will cause some to ponder the need for prayer in their own life as demonstrated in the life of Jesus.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Permalink Reply by Joleen on
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i love this forum .. please Ginnybee don't delete this forum post. This is a good subject and I want to learn.
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Permalink Reply by RoyW on
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Brother Rod,
You made the following statement: "other respected theologists teach that Jesus is not God but the Son of God." I am wondering what respected theologian teaches that Jesus is not God. I understand that it took a few hundred years to hammer out this doctrine but Scripture really does teach the doctrine of the trinity. Any godly theologian would have eventually come to the point of believing that Jesus was both God and the Son of God. Anything else would be considered heretical.
Blessings -
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Hello Roy,
With all due respect.
I fail to see how you can make such a sweeping statement as:
Any godly theologian would have eventually come to the point of believing that Jesus was both God and the Son of God. Anything else would be considered heretical.
Please Roy show me the scripture that 100% clearly shows your POV.
I am here to learn, not to be sold an opinion.
I continue to study it out, which you may have done already.
Please show me your research so that I to may learn and have no doubts.
Blessings
Rod
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John 1: 1-2 along with John 10:30 for starters. However, I am still curious to what respected theologian taught that Jesus was not God. That position would be considered heretical even in the early church. When Jesus said He and the Father were one, the Jews picked up stones to stone Him. He asked them why they were doing that, They replied they were doing so because he was claiming to be God.
To become a Christian, every individual must come to the place of believing in Him as presented by Scripture. The Scripture presents Him to us as God and nothing less. Anything less than this is heretical. I believe it approaches the unpardonable sin. It is extremely dangerous to take this view. Jesus spoke of a sin that could not be forgiven. Jesus asked those who were about to stone him for which miracle were they stoning Him. To credit His work as anything less than that of God is unpardonable. However, someone who is searching for Him are not in this category and I certainly would not indicate anyone on this sight qualifies in this area. However, you must understand that once a person knows Him as Savior and God, he cannot go back to another position as a sow might return to its vomit. We can do no other than to proclaim Him as our God and Savior - Titus 2:13.
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