Catholicism believes that it signifies and actually brings about the birth of water and the Spirit without which no one "can enter the kingdom of God." Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."
Christianity believes it's symbolism of sins washed away.
Sorry for the short reply. I can go deeper a little later.
Actually I must disagree with you on this point. There are actually few Christians who are Catholic.
If a Catholic stands by the doctrines taught in the RCC church, that is how I know they are not true Christians. They don't believe as you & I do actually. Don't need much more than that. Sure there are Catholics that have become Christians, most of which have separated themselves from the cult religion. Some do stay to try to pull others in the true Light of Christ & His true teachings but most get out while the getting is good. Many who go have great intentions. They do great deeds for orphans & such but they also teach false doctrines. They are actually considered by most as being the One World Religion in the end times & the pope being the Anti-Christ. I, personally, believe the pope will be the false prophet but who knows these days with Islam rising up so much these days?
Do you really want to know cause this could take a while. Now, remember, this is Tammy - the short answer girl. So, if I'm volunteering for long answers, I must have a bit of information & knowledge on the subject. We could be here a while. So, if you REALLY want to know the truth, we can continue. Maybe even in private cause I'm not sure they would want us talking about it here. But, then again, it's not like it should be hidden either huh? If it's false, it needs to be told. If what I'm saying is wrong, that too needs to be told so that others who may believe the same will know the facts. So, I'm leaving it up to you. If you truly want to discuss it, I'm good to go. If you're really wanting to know the truth about it that is. However, if it's just for the argument's sake, I'll move on. I don't right fight for the sake of being right. I would rather know truths. So, Ball's in your court brother.
Anytime brother. My reply to you was a bit hateful I believe & I so want to apologize to you. I wouldn't want to come across that way at all. I need to check up on my humility these days. Please forgive me.
What kind of projects are you doing just out of curiosity. I love home projects. I redo furniture when I get the laziness out of me. Haven't done any since Texas but have many pieces to do.
Here's an article which may be helpful,
Question: "What is the Catholic understanding of baptism?"
Answer: According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (or CCC), water baptism is the first sacrament and gives access to the other required sacraments. It is also the act that forgives sins, grants spiritual rebirth, and makes one a member of the church (CCC, 1213). The Catholic Church also believes that Jesus requires one’s baptism in order to receive eternal life.
Catholics view baptism as the means by which one receives the Holy Spirit. The sacrament is called “the gateway to life in the Spirit” (CCC, 1213). The “washing of rebirth” in Titus 3:5 is interpreted as a literal washing by water and is associated with the rite of baptism. The same is true for Jesus’ mention of being “born of water” in John 3:5. Even non-Catholics who have been baptized are considered “justified by faith in baptism” (CCC, 1271) because baptism incorporates all into Christ.
According to Catholicism, a long process precedes any hope for “salvation.” Required are a “proclamation of the Lord, acceptance of the Gospel entailing conversion, profession of faith, baptism itself, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and admission to Eucharistic communion” (CCC, 1229). Baptism is necessary because, according to Catholicism, “By baptism, all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sin” (CCC, 1263).
CCC 1274 teaches, “The Holy Spirit marks us at baptism with the seal of the Lord for the day of redemption.” However, there is no security in this seal, for the baptized Christian must be “faithful” to keep the seal “until the end.” Only then will he “be able to depart this life in the hope of resurrection.”
Catholics practice infant baptism, which they consider a gift of God’s grace. Infants and young children are “baptized in the faith of the Church” (CCC, 1282). So important is baptism in the Catholic faith that they teach that an unbaptized child who dies either goes to hell or to purgatory.
Catholics use verses such as Luke 18:15–16 and 1 Corinthians 1:16 in support of the practice of infant baptism. However, these passages are misused. The Bible does not teach infant baptism. In Luke 18, parents are bringing their children so that Jesus might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them for it. Christ told His disciples, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.” The Lord said nothing about baptizing infants here; He only said not to forbid children from following Him. To draw a teaching on baptism from this verse is incorrect.
In 1 Corinthians 1 Paul speaks of a family (a household) that was baptized. He says in verse 16, “I also baptized the household of Stephanas.” Do we know if infants or very young children were in Stephanas’s household? No. We do not know the ages of anyone in the household, and it is unwise to base a doctrine on assumptions.
So, we have some key differences in the Catholic doctrine of baptism compared to Scripture. One is that the Bible says to be baptized once we have faith and repent of our sins (Acts 2:38; Mark 16:15–17); no one should be baptized “in the faith of the Church,” their parent’s faith, etc. The Bible says we receive the Holy Spirit when we have faith in Christ (Ephesians 1:13–14; Galatians 3:2–3). There is no other way to receive Him but by faith. Works, even the work of baptism, are not the reason a person is saved (Titus 3:5).
Catholics teach that a baptized person begins participating in eternal life at the moment of baptism, but they also teach he loses that “eternal” life and the Holy Spirit when he sins. The Bible says that a Christian might “grieve” the Holy Spirit, but the “seal” the Spirit places on us cannot be broken (Ephesians 4:30).
In all instances of baptism in the New Testament, the act always followed a person’s faith in and confession of Christ, along with repentance (e.g., Acts 8:35–38; 16:14–15; 18:8; and 19:4–5). Baptism is not what gives us salvation. Baptism is an act of obedience after faith.
I was raised as a young child in the Catholic Church. I was baptised as an infant, received my first communion, and attended church every Sunday. I didn't understand who Jesus is, or know Him. I knew I was a sinner, but I didn't know I needed a Saviour. I didn't understand about God's Grace, Mercy or Forgiveness. I didn't know about receiving the Holy Spirit as my counsellor, or that He would come to live in me.
However, even though I didn't know these things, up until a certain point (my early twenties) I prayed for God's help and protection. I wanted to know Him even though I didn't know Him. I abandoned believing in Him in my twenties (remember I was baptised as an infant), and began to adopt an atheist worldview. I believe I walked away from the church because I wasn't taught about Jesus as a man, and Jesus as God. I was only taught rituals and religion, and I began to hate it. It felt burdensome and too hard to follow....so I stopped, and when I did, I felt free. This is the nature of what religion does.
In 2006 I had an experience which altered my life and my worldview eternally. I repented and surrendered my heart to the Lord as the gospel was preached to me and I understood it. It was God's Love that brought me to Him. I don't know why or how I finally understood it, perhaps the time was right for me. I was born again, out of spiritual death and into spiritual life.
I chose to be baptised again...I wanted to make a public proclamation of my faith and my desire and heart to follow Jesus. I also know that I need community around me to help me walk in it, and the public baptism surrounds us with the encouragement and community we need.
An infant simply can't make that choice. I see baptism as relational, because God is relational. We walk in obedience when we're baptised, but it doesn't save us. It just seems to be a natural outflowing of the fullness we carry in our hearts once we're saved. WE WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW WE LOVE AND NEED JESUS.
Once I was baptised the Spiritual Warfare around me intensified and I knew I was being tested. An infant can't possibly be prepared for such a thing or be able to know or handle it, pray through it etc... I believe with all my heart it's only something a Christian could withstand, because it's God who carries us. We can't withstand the Spiritual Warfare in our own strength.
The QUESTION is do you know God and do you serve him .... being baptized Christian or Catholic does matter a little .
Dear Ken ,
Do you know horrifying thing in Africa ..... People do not preach God or go to church to Worship God . The modern day charismatic church has become an abode for many worshippers and believers seeking solutions to one problem or the other.There are so many things that go on in these churches which sometimes marvels me. Worshippers do things which obviously are counter-productive with leaders living for themselves at the expense of their congregation.
So baptized Christian or Catholic ......... hmmmmm we are way past that here .
Eric, .First off, you know I love you...no doubt.
Second of all, I would agree with Tammy.
If there is a conversation we need to have, then as your friend, I would like to have it.