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Some people claim the Sabbath is Saturday and some Sunday, and some don't know if either day is accurate but just celebrate it one one if those days. This of course is due to Exodus 20:8-11:

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

How do you see this in relation to Hebrews 4:1‭-‬11?

Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

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Just to be correct in what you are saying is:  to not honor the sabbath and keep it holy?  Is that what you are saying to me by these verses??

Lo0king for some clarification.  Look at all Scripture regarding the Sabbath....it starts in Genesis.

Are you implying that I'm now a Pharisee?  The Sabbath is a blessing, always will be.  Erics question as to how to "observe" the Sabbath....please, the question posted initially was, "was it Sunday or Saturday", my initial posting was that it hasn't changed from the 7th day of the week. If you do not wish to celebrate the Sabbath, that is completely up to you.  

My main concern was that it never changed from the last day of the week to the first.  If you have new and improved Scripture concerning this question, by all means, please post those Scriptural references that say that the Sabbath has been changed.  Also, please provide Scripture that the Sabbath is no longer to  be remembered or celebrated or that particular command is non existent.  And please.....do not call a person a pharisee for regarding the Word of the LORD.  People are flippant with that word when they don't like something...and to be honest it makes me concerned......Pharisees most definately applied manmade rules, but do not attribute that tNo God's Moral Law, i.e. the 10 Commandments.  

My answer to these is the Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath but not required to be adhered to under law because it is our faith in Jesus that calls us to worship Him at all times.

With my reasoning and Scripture posted in another response, I don't celebrate the Sabbath. I attend church to hear the Word from elders and to gather with fellow believers to strengthen one another. I attend every opportunity I can, and wherever church is available. IE: We don't have Wed. night service so I attend my former church on Wed. I attend special services at both. I have left one church and gone to another in the same day to hear sermons. I figure we can be out drinking, partying, sinning, etc., or even something as mundane as watching TV...or we can be in His presence where two or more are gathered.

I don't celebrate the Sabbath or Sunday or Wed. or any other day as a day of worship, but instead attend services every chance I get. My new church has Tues night services just to break the mold.

And if anyone's in the area, Aug 20-22 is revival and Sept 12 is Eddie James. http://www.canvaschurchwv.com Insert shameless plug here. LOL

BTW A Pharisee is a hypocrite. If you believe the Sabbath needs kept and you keep it, you're not being a hypocrite. But I have my reasons for believing I do not need to observe the Jewish Sabbath, as do others. It is as each one purposes in His heart.

A few thoughts...

Leviticus 16:34 “This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites.” And it was done, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Exodus 31:16,17 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath.....17 on It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ”

Notice to whom the command/covenant is given. If one says those that accept Christ are Israelites, consider this...

Genesis 17:8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.

We do not possess Canaan, that is for the Israelites. There is a clear distinction that this is for Israel in that it adds the part about those residing in Israel.

Exodus 20:2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

We were not brought out of Egypt, the Israelites were.

James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right.  9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.  11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.  12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom

To love our neighbor is doing right. But if we're going to keep the law, we have to keep it all...perfectly. Since Jesus is the only sinless one, we can't keep the whole law perfectly. We are being judged by the law that gives freedom, not the one that keeps us bound.

Some say that the Sabbath was to be everlasting and not end after Jesus died. However that would mean we're also obligated to keep the law of circumcision and shew bread.

Exodus 31:16-17 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever

Leviticus 24:8 This bread is to be set out before the Lord Sabbath after Sabbath, on behalf of the Israelites, as a lasting covenant.

But to sum up the Sabbath...

Mark 2:27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Leviticus 25:4 But in the seventh year the land is to have a year of sabbath rest, a sabbath to the Lord. Do not sow your fields or prune your vineyards. 5 Do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the grapes of your untended vines. The land is to have a year of rest. 

The Sabbath was made for man (man needs rest) just as the land needs rest. This is why it is made for man.  This is why it doesn't have to be Saturday or Sunday. I can worship God Sunday through Friday and in no way is He going to say that since I didn't worship on Saturday that I don't belong to Him.

When the rich man came to Jesus and asked what good deed he had to do to have eternal life, Jesus replied:

Matthew 19:17-19...If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’

Jesus is making a point here which follows James 2:8 above...“Love your neighbor as yourself,” He says nothing of the Sabbath. He wants us to worship God with all our heart, not setting aside a specific day of following a law given to the Israelites. And He wants us to love one another. That's why Matthew 22:40 says "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Well said Seek.  

 Today I was thinking about this in context to the examples we have in the Bible.  The greater nature of murder is hate, for it is the root of murder.  Same for adultery, theft, lying  and the whole list.  Each has a depth that go well beyond the basic commandment. For instance :  Not killing someone is not enough to be in the nature of the command if we have hate and evil desire for them.  And so on...

  As for the (Sabbath) Rest we have , that too can be magnified to the deepest level .   Our belief in our Creator and His plan leads us to that deeper meaning.  Our acceptance of our Lords self sacrifice for our sake is a huge undertaking. It is both liberating and yet binding .  Free from the sure death of sin yet binding us to the Grace and mercy made so by Jesus. It fills my heart and breaks it from understanding what He did and for what purpose ...  For this sinner to be saved . 

 If Sabbath is one day only with rules , then it is not something greater. Including,   A trust in His complete work and His Rest (our destination in His Kingdom) or to always reflect on the final rest we all have in our future.  All of which hangs below our first commandment.  So of course this Sabbath rest is much greater then a weekly performance.  I would think most agree. 

 The question that remains is about the performance and nature of commandments  . The bottom line here is this (As I see ity) .  We are not going to be accepted by performance (Deeds) . He said so.  We are accepted by our belief , our faith , our love and intention , He said so. Not because we danced well for Him but because of His Merciful Grace of His creation .  We are His children and we have the right to be called just that. Because He said so.  

    I would be happy to know if I am doing it right or right enough for His acceptance . But I trust in His words and His perfection . not my own . I only trust my belief in Him . That ,I am sure of.  And that is enough regardless of how well I perform.   

  Because He said so.

  That is my Sabbath .  It is my rest , my peace , my hope and my trust in His Holy Word .

          Because I say so. 

         Bless you sister and all others who seek,       -Eric

 

Colossians 2:16 (KJV)
16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Of course...Look at the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE JB, & not just pick and choose one verse out of the Bible to support your view.  Speaking of which, we should not pick and choose to support "our views", but to support the whole Scripture.  Please do that....and also why would God place that in His  Stone Tablets only to renege on the 4th commandment and cause so much confusion about whether or not it's still worthy to be followed.  

Please read the Bible Scripture in context.  You cannot nitpick Scriptures.....Read the whole thing, it's important.

Hebrews 4:12--For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I'm sure that I have broken all of the commandments at some point in my life .   For goodness sake ... I can't even rest correctly. 

   Please advise.  

      Eric

 

Good morning Watchman, in all sincerity, I am not trying to be factious, but I am trying to find out where in scripture you are referencing “the fourth Commandment” would you please list them for me?

I don’t mean to be nit-picking scripture in my responses, I just use the part of it that best explains my thoughts. My responses would look like the following, and no one would read all of it. So I also use them so as not to let others think that I am using conjecture, rather than the Word of God. 

From reading your responses to me, I gather you have a very un-warranted opinion of me, which really doesn’t bother me in the least, everyone has the right to think the way they want.

So what is the 4th Commandment?

 

Exodus 20:1-17 (KJV)
1  And God spake all these words, saying,
2  I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
#3.   5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6  And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7  Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12  Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13  Thou shalt not kill.
14
 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15
 Thou shalt not steal.
16
 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Deuteronomy 5:16-21 (KJV)
16
 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17
 Thou shalt not kill.
18
 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19
 Neither shalt thou steal.
20
 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21  Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Matthew 5:20 (KJV)
20  For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 13:5-10 (KJV)
5  Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6  For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7  Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8  Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9  For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 JB

 

 

 There it is.    Well done JB.

    All of the variations of the commandments show collectivly what is applicable and common  to all people under God and  what is specific to one people under Moses, under God. 

  They can be boil;ed down to two basic commandments . Two big ones ,as Jesus said. 

         We should do our best ,  The Lord will do the rest... 

  

Simply put, no change regarding the Sabbath.  You may do whatever you choose to do or make the choice to do whatever you choose to do, but Biblically speaking, the Sabbath has never been changed from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week.  And this is all I have to say on the matter.  

You must read Scripture in context, period.  All of Scripture....

So why would God command sacrifices then renege on them? He didn't. The verse JB gives should continue.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Jesus is the reality, He fulfilled the sacrifice, He fulfilled the law. He said we're doing right if we love one another, that the two great commandments are love God and love your neighbor.  He gave the commandments to reveal sin so He could bring something better later. 

Examine the 10 Commandments. 

  • You shall have no other gods before Me.
  • You shall not make idols.
  • You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
  • Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Jesus came along and said the true worshippers will worship in Spirit and truth, not on a particular day or particular location. His concern was on our worship, not on a law of worship. He would rather we worship 24/7, and not on one appointed day. 

  • Honor your father and your mother.
  • You shall not murder.
  • You shall not commit adultery.
  • You shall not steal.
  • You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
  • You shall not covet.

And this half covers love they neighbor. Jesus said it's more than thou shall not murder, but just to be angry with a brother or sister was the same as murder. He's saying to rise above a law, rather than just follow something we're told to do. Do our best because of who He is, not because we have to be ordered to. God already intended this because we proved we could never keep the letter of the law. 

2 Corinthians 3:3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Sabbath was given to the Jews, just as circumcision was. And this is what was said regarding circumcision and the Gentiles. 

Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Both in Exodus 31 and Ezekial 20, it is explained why God gave them the Sabbath...as a sign. But just like the shadow...

Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

The law of sacrifices, circumcision,  specific days of worship or Sabbath, can never perfect anyone just by observing them year after year, week after week. 

This is where grace comes in...

James 2:10 "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

So if we try to keep the Sabbath yet covet, we're guilty of the whole law. However, if we live by faith in the grace of Jesus, there is now therefore no condemnation. 

At this point, a lot of people will say, this is giving a license to sin, but it's not. Because it goes back to the "true worshippers" part. A true worshipper isn't going to want to live in sin. 

I like this explanation from a site that goes into greater detail. https://www.backtothebible.org/what-does-god-s-word-say-about-the-c...

If there had been a law given which could have given life, righteousness would have been by the law", but only God's grace can save us. Salvation is not the reward for a holy life but the gift of God to a sinner deserving judgment. The Law was given to show the exceeding sinfulness of sin. To confess that salvation by Law is unattainable by man humbles him but exalts the holiness of the Law. On the other hand, to claim salvation by Law-keeping exalts man but lowers the righteousness of the Law.

Romans 7:7 I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."

This is what the context is telling me. And I prayed over it and studied on it the first time this question came up because I was concerned that I was interpreting Scripture correctly and didn't want to have this wrong. There's a lot of Scripture to read in order to look at the context.

In the end, for me, one verse sums up a lot of Scripture we can often make confusing...

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Well done  Seek. 

   Watchman is correct that the  Sabbath was not changed to the first day .

Seek is correct also ,    It was emancipated . 

  Thank Christ. 

  

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