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Science and the evolution of Christianity - scope for understanding?
The Scopes Trial—formally known as The State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes and informally known as the Scopes Monkey Trial—was a landmark American legal case in 1925 in which high school science teacher, John Scopes, was accused of violating Tennessee's Butler Act which made it unlawful to teach evolution.[1]
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Science v Christianity - Certainly seemed to be the case (literally) in the above mentioned Scopes trial - which effectively was about the doctrine of human origin and evolution. Indeed there were two opposing sides - the scientific and Christian communities, at least that was the public view. The Christian community rejected scientists account of evolution claiming it was unbiblical. Science was wrong!
Is science wrong though? I do not believe it is.
It is some of the scientists who are wrong in their speculations. But I also believe that some in the Christian community should not discount evolution - as a process used by God. I've heard many Christians say "I don't believe in evolution", but there are valid scientific claims in Darwin's theory of evolution; some aspects of his theory were/are obviously speculative.
The creation is another issue that seemingly separates science and Christianity - how old is the universe? Is there a designer? Who created God? etc etc
It is not a case of science v Christianity - rather isn't it a case of science for Christianity? There should be scope for understanding between both communities I believe.
After all - science is only revealing what God has created.
Any thoughts on this?
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Permalink Reply by dean burrows on
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exactly Amanda He created time for man. Throughout scripture we have reference to time. One such reference is when Christ says"the time is in hand " my understanding of that staement means a very short period yet as we know it has been quite a lengthy period sense that statement was made. In my life a few years is long never mind 2000. In God's eyes time is infinite. Therefore I personally have no idea of His timing I only have trust in it.
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Permalink Reply by Amanda on
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Dean, the week of creation is literally man's time and the day of rest was created for man, and not man for it. Nevertheless, no one but God alone can enable you to see this.
Blessings to you and yours...
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Amanda I could say the same about my thought towards the issue.
If He didn't create time for man who did He. God doesn't need it.
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Exactly. So why would God create the universe, earth, and man in His time and not in man's time of a literal 6 days with 24 hour periods? Why would creation week be in "God's time" since God does not need time? This argument does not make sense. Does God have time that differs from man's time since He has no need of time, not even during creation?
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does God have need to make sense to man.
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Again that is an interesting interpretation by man. Yet you miss my point to debate or question a persons relationship with God because they do not understand things in the same manner is a dangerous path to tread.
None of us were there so to say I am absolutely positive one way or the other is to say I have the full knowledge of God. I am fully aware I do not. The only thing I am positive about is I do not agree with Darwinism. In my thinking when a person speaks of evolution it does not always refer to Darwinism.
I also do know that God's time is God's time and He does the best for us all in His time.
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No one is debating anyones relationship with God. God is Light and light reveals. There are absolute truths and the Bible contains them. God enables us to see them and no one can convince anyone of these truths but God alone.
Spiritual evolution is not a biblical teaching either. Spiritual Evolution
The article I posted from gotquestions.org ( a sister site of AAG) contains Scripture and is not merely man's interpretation.
http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html
To say that God has evolved you to believe in Him does allude to belief in spiritual evolution. We do not evolve into being Christians. We are born again. It happens instantly. It is a new birth and the heart and spirit are regenerated. The time it takes bringing someone to the point of regeneration may last quite awhile but the actual new birth is not the process of evolving spiritually. It is a work of God. He draws and calls and enables and we choose to receive Jesus as Savior--no evolving.
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Amanda look carefully at the maening of the word. To change. I changed through the power of God form a non believer to a believer. Because a man came up with a theory and I agree the theory is incorrect we take a word and make it wrong in any context. I have to say I sometimes see this in man"s interpretation of God's word.
I agree the heart and spirit are regenerated and by many of your other post you also relize the process for some takes a time of growth (change). The meaning of evolve is to change.
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Dean evolution does not mean creationism. Not spiritually or physically. Spiritually, we become a new creation, not a new evolution. I am sorry but I can't agree with your POV. You think it is just a case of semantics while I see that it is so much more than that. Once again we must agree to disagree. Thank you for being civil and for the exchange.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Amen Amanda.
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I am sorry Amanda I have to agree with you evolution is not creationism. Yet Darwinism is not the meaning of the word evolution. Evolution is change, Darwinism is man's theory of creation. And a rather sloppy theory. It totally is a matter of semantics your understanding and use of evolution and my understamding and use of the word.
Yes thankyou once again for the exchange
The Lord has truely Blessed you
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Wow, that is one giant post. None of which refutes my point that evolution is not incompatible with the Christian faith. Whether evolution is true is a separate argument.
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