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Some people claim the Sabbath is Saturday and some Sunday, and some don't know if either day is accurate but just celebrate it one one if those days. This of course is due to Exodus 20:8-11:

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

How do you see this in relation to Hebrews 4:1‭-‬11?

Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

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Mark 2:26-28 (KJV)
26  How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27  And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28  Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Romans 14:1-17 (AMP)
1  AS FOR the man who is a weak believer, welcome him [into your fellowship], but not to criticize his opinions or pass judgment on his scruples or perplex him with discussions.
2  One [man's faith permits him to] believe he may eat anything, while a weaker one [limits his] eating to vegetables.
3  Let not him who eats look down on or despise him who abstains, and let not him who abstains criticize and pass judgment on him who eats; for God has accepted and welcomed him.
4  Who are you to pass judgment on and censure another's household servant? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he shall stand and be upheld, for the Master (the Lord) is mighty to support him and make him stand.
5  One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems all days alike [sacred]. Let everyone be fully convinced (satisfied) in his own mind.
6  He who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. He also who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while he who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
7  None of us lives to himself [but to the Lord], and none of us dies to himself [but to the Lord, for]
8  If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or we die, we belong to the Lord.
9  For Christ died and lived again for this very purpose, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10  Why do you criticize and pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you look down upon or despise your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11  For it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God [acknowledge Him to His honor and to His praise].
12  And so each of us shall give an account of himself [give an answer in reference to judgment] to God.
13  Then let us no more criticize and blame and pass judgment on one another, but rather decide and endeavor never to put a stumbling block or an obstacle or a hindrance in the way of a brother.
14  I know and am convinced (persuaded) as one in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is [forbidden as] essentially unclean (defiled and unholy in itself). But [none the less] it is unclean (defiled and unholy) to anyone who thinks it is unclean.
15  But if your brother is being pained or his feelings hurt or if he is being injured by what you eat, [then] you are no longer walking in love. [You have ceased to be living and conducting yourself by the standard of love toward him.] Do not let what you eat hurt or cause the ruin of one for whom Christ died!
16  Do not therefore let what seems good to you be considered an evil thing [by someone else]. [In other words, do not give occasion for others to criticize that which is justifiable for you.]
17  [After all] the kingdom of God is not a matter of [getting the] food and drink [one likes], but instead it is righteousness (that state which makes a person acceptable to God) and [heart] peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

I think I know what you're pointing at but can you tell me your thoughts on it? Cause what I'm seeing makes a difference in what I always thought of the Sabbath. Wondering if anyone else does.

I haven't been on here in a very long time and I can tell you I've missed this place.

I think that we've discussed this before, but I might be wrong and there are various interpretations of the Sabbath and the day it should be.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


I've always been thoughtful about why out of all the commandments, the Lord asked us to remember the Sabbath day, to keep Holy....I'm assuming when someone tells me to remember something it's their wish that I not forget it. It states the 7th day, without specifically talking about Sat., but we can all agree that Saturday is our 7th day.  

When we visit the New Testament, they talk about the Sabbath...and then they talk about the Lord's day, but they never intermingle the two, nor do I see it change.  So if the Bible doesn't say it changed, what would grant me the authority to change it?  

I would like to offer more later...must get up early for work, so I'd just like to use this as a diving board to delve into deeper waters of the Lord's Word.  

Love you and pray that all is well with each and everyone of you!

I can't agree on Saturday being the Sabbath. I can't agree on Sunday either. We don't know what day they determined as the 7th. We only know our weeks as they currently stand. Scripture also shows that God is more interested in the heart than in following a set of laws. If He wanted us to rest on Saturday, I believe He'd have specified Saturday. He also said the Sabbath was made for man and healed on the Sabbath and told those He healed to pick up their mats, knowing the Pharisees would object.

Another thing regarding the above passages, the O.T. has a lot of symbolism. Such as what the temple represents. Which is what I'm wondering regarding these passages.

Hey Seek,

Let me ask you this, Did God give the 4th Commandment only to the Jews and the other 9 to everyone else?

Then let me ask you where in the New Testament does it say that the Sabbath has become a different day than the 7th day?  The Bible is pretty clear and both the Old Testament and New Testament both are intertwined and both agree with each other, correct?  Never once in the New Testament did they ever call the Sabbath the Day of the Lord and vice versa.  When they were referring to the Sabbath, that's exactly what they called it.  The 7th day is our Saturday, the first day of the week is our Sunday.  It's a day to worship, to refresh, to have no other agenda, but that of spending your day with the Lord, how AWESOME is that!!

Here are a few quotes about "who" has had a hand in the change of days....

Who Made Sunday Holy?
“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” — Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power…People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

Whose Day of Worship is Sunday?
“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason…The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance…The author of the Sunday law…is the Catholic Church.” — Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” — Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

Who Do We Reverence by Keeping Sunday Holy?
“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.’ And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.” — father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802.

“It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213

Obedience to the Lord is ALWAYS GOOD, it is our duty, it is our blessed Savior, there is nothing in this world that can ever ever ever compare to the love we have for Christ Jesus and definately His great love for us.  May we Glorify Him with every single breath, even our last one. This is definately an age where evil seems good and good seems evil.  

Again, who says the 7th day was Saturday during the days of Moses? Was there even a day called Saturday and was that the 7th day on their calendar? And some calendars start with Monday BTW.

 

    The commandments did not always exist as written law but the nature of them has. And does.

   At the time of Jesus, there was "the law".  It served a purpose to clarify the legal "bottom line" of behaviour. But the Holy way is not about the minimum , it is about the true nature of our obligation and measures our shortcomings. ( It is , The maximum).

    Some clues , as examples that come to us are; doing good on the sabbath is never wrong ,  hate for our fellow man is in the nature of murder , and lust is to adultery.  So then, when Jesus tells us He is Lord of the Sabbath, in this light he is saying remember my Day , remember Me, for I am Holy and it is Finnished.  It follows that remembering Him (following Him , resting in Him) is not reserved for one day only. The greater nature of Sabbath is to be concious of God's finnished work , His day of rest and to make all of our days , all times , all things Holy. 

When we reduce the commandment to its lesser form, we are not inspired or indwelt by the Spirit. Thus we should be seeking or allowing the greatest form of Sabbath, which is to abide in the Lords rest always , forever in His Sabbath for it is now always and in truth, it always was always. 

   The Christian heart knows this.  A Christian is not a stumbling block to those who are walking in or towards faith.  Thus we would not discourage the celebration of one special day itself, but enlighten the concept of all Days are the same ... All Holy. 

  If there is a Sabbath for Christians then it is always .  If there are Commandments for Christians, then they are magnified to the greatest.

  

 

So happy to reply to you Eric, makes me smile.

No, I have never once meant to say that worshipping God should be resigned to one day only, but the LORD wanted us to cease from worldly work; things; to spend an entire day worshipping and having a most wonderful relationship with our LORD and Creator.  Not to say that all other days be spent without our LORD & Savior, but with Him....But on the Sabbath, to be with Him fully, without the world entering in.  

What the Bible says:  is that there isn't an 8th day or 1st day to remember to keep holy, but the 7th day.  All days should remain in the love of God and all earnestness should remain in the love of God, and all days should we strive with the strength of God to be Holy, but on that Sabbath Day....It should be all about our God.  Every thought, every move, everything on that day should be devoted to God.  I can guarantee you, one day spent drinking in His Word, praying, lifting our every single concern and devotion to God, you will be uplifted and restored.

But...the 4th commandment was never null; voided; or changed.  The LORD is the same throughout the entire Scripture, Old Testament & New.  Same Grace, Mercy, and Forgiveness flow throughout.  

Hello friend.  Return smile .

  I was responding in general and not as a rebuttal to you.  I am sure that you have your facts in order . I offer a perspective and reasoning.  

  Yes The commandment was always there,  specificly written down  to a people at a time (under Moses)  and has lasting instruction for all thereafter and existed before, at least in the heart and mind of God's children. . I would also agree with many that the seventh day is according to our calender and not bound to Saturday as the old world had it. Regardless of the origination of that day and calender as the ancients also started their callandars in an arbitrary begining.  The 6 plus one is the standard.  No naming of particular days in the creation story.And no starting gun went off making it officially the first Sunday ever as day one...  In fact those names are not even Christian in origine.  I don't think it matters .  It is a construct of a form that God described.

  If we are to follow the tradition / Law and all of the requirements , then we have a huge adjustment to make with not making fire or tending to any thing or even getting in our car to go to a church . Why stop there , why not undertake all of the other restrictions that the poeple had upon them .  You may answer with, there are freedoms in Christ or we are not bound to the legalistic aspect , etc.  If so I agree. Jesus made it clear.

  If we are not bound to behaviour then we are free to internalize this commandment providing that we do so in the nature of its intent.  In the old days it was a standard to work 6 days and there wasn't much option but maybe to work 8 days a week instead.  So it is a reasonable thing to stop them for worship. I don't happen to suffer an absence of God while I work but maybe others do .  Today there is work of a different schedule and some have no schedule at all.  So the commandment must be weaved into the life according to the demands of our life. Providing we get that total of one full day in seven (at least) we are getting our time in the observance , at least accumulatively.  

 You mention the benefit of one full day and I don't disagree, but there is also a down side to that as observed in people that ignore the worship for the other six days...  Some people cant or don't work 6 days but they are not disobedient for it.  Retired people , handicap people , service people ...  Clearly there is exception for them in the work for 6 days part.. It is for our benifit to be in as much time with the Lord as we can .  It is for us "made for man and not man for it" . And like the other 9 there is a legal bottom line but Jesus expounded upon the deeper nature of the commandments so that all of them are understood as much more than the minimum.

 I totally agree that the Lord's word  is the same throughout all time with man , activly begining at the first man and his wife. They begin the disobediance which gathered momentum until God had to lay it down in stone . Twice.  Then is was clarified as the law but again man fell to the least level of the commandment's application for which Jesus expounded upon and showed the greater nature that was being dismissed or ignored and abused .   Examples above and many more as you know.   

    The 4th commandment is far greater than one day a week and always was and is. Not void or changed but emancipated in deeper meaning by Jesus from the limited understanding that man seems to fall into or  back into over and over.

 I guarentee you that if at every moment we work and pray and intertwine the Lord in every thing we do you will be uplifted and restored to the fullest.   And I think this is what He was getting at . Take it up every day and be Holy for I am Holy ...  Sounds like He wants us to walk in His way always but He  jotted down the bottom line for those who just don't live it or get the big picture ... 

   With Love to my friend and to others reading along .  Always.

  

   

But people do it every Sunday, right?  Celebration of the Sabbath???  Supposedly, anyhow, they get up, put their Sunday finest on, go to church in their cars, worship to the choirs who usually sing the latest hits of the Christian world, listen to a sermon about ONE verse in the Bible, then go home and fill their day with football, baseball, etc.  Most Christians believe that they are going to church on the Sabbath...and the sad thing is that is not at all what the Sabbath is about.

You cannot randomly change what the LORD has said, regardless of how you or I feel about it.  He never lowers His standards for anyone, it remains the same.  You cannot, for instance say, well I am calling Wed. my Sabbath, that is not what the LORD said....

Maybe I'm tired, maybe not....more perhaps frustrated with how everyone seems to be writing off and changing the times according to what they may deem as appropriate.  How many of the other commandments are going to accomodate personal circumstances and interpretations.  Frustrated and disappointed to say the least. 

I believe many do march off to Sunday service without giving much thought to the historic day as was the practice in the days of old.  They go along not realizing that the day was once a Saturday by the old schedual but I don't think there is a  sin of wilful disobedience in their mind,. I am also convinced that they are not really informed on the full measure of its purpose and practice as a full day of relationship with God .   But I believe most people are actually putting in some efort and it does change their disposition while they slip into the sports and sunday feast. It has an effect but as you say not the full effect.

  God's standards will never be achieved for any lasting effort of ours.  I thank Him often for accepting me by my Faith ,my belief , relying on His Grace for my shortcomings.  If I felt I was bound to keep the Sabbath perfectly (I do not believe I am bound to that) then if I did achieve this , it would be several other infractions that would be my undoing and it only takes one.  A minor piece of one...   So ,   I ain't throwing any stones .   

  But regarding Saturday and Sunday ;  For whatever historic reason (I think it was begining early on with bringing the word to gentiles and the rest of us heathens ) The day of our Lords Resurection must have had a big impact on the believers and observers.  The common day of celebration with non jews was Sunday and that Day was invaded for the purpose of transforming it to a Christian flavor and eventually phasing out the pagan parts .  It is a common means of conquest and achieved inroads to that culture/ beliefs.  It stuck. Christianity invaded them not the other way around .  Something lost , something gained. 

   Being seperate from the Jews in their rituals may have played a part and being all things to all men seems to say it is more important to get it to them then to achieve perfection from them .

  Somewhere along the line (With Constentine I believe) the day off was officially made a Sunday for that alligned with public norms and business. So Tryting to take off a Saturday would land you in trouble with the earthly bosses.  The Catholic church (meaning for all and not the later meaning) obliged and it stuck.  

   As we enter the modern times , most people are starting work on Monday which they consider the first day of the week . (it isn't according to the old world but is according to the new) Monday is most peoples first day of work as they define their work week, 9 to 5 Mon- Fri...  hence it is their first day. and that makes Sunday their seventh day providing they cut the grass on Saturday along with the Honey do list...  Is that shift in days/shedual,  an offence to God ?  Is God hung up on the names of our days ?  He didn't name them did He ?  The scedual was given by God but man named the days. 

  I think we will botch up every commandment . If you have hated , you are as a murderer .  If your desires rise for anothers wife or even the passing eye candy then lust and coviting , If you exagerate on your tax form ,  then you are a theif . If you don't stop to help your fellow man then you haven't loved your neighbor.  On and on we fail and I don't see how we can please God with our failures being so great or by keeping a Sabbath perfectly .  It isn't enough and thank God He accepts us as we are in progress.  

    I don't go to church .  I bring church wherever I go. And when actions seem to be failing then I use words .  Sometimes the words get it going but it happens every where I go . Almost every day , but I am willing, all the time.  (Except when I slip into an ugly form for a moment or so). It happens.  Forget not , to come together and wherever 2 or more gather in my name , there shall I be.   That concept (Although I must have botched the quote because I often do) is my church wherever I am and on every Holy day , every day is Holy .  I remember His Day of Rest as continual in our life with Christ.  This is the lasting Seventh Day in my mind and heart. One day for one man and all days alike for another ...

  Do not judge a holy day celebration or what is eaten ...  Do what is believed in your mind sister and keep bringing the word in your understanding with love and tollarance , forgiveness for others and God's forgiveness on you.  He rather have Mercy over Sacrifice , Love over ritual and perhaps our flaws over perfection for that makes His love a greater gift. 

    Let it go and go on with strong love and good spirit.  God will deal with the flaws as He promiced.  No worries friend. 

   

But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

God's more interested in our worship than which day we believe is or isn't the seventh. He looks at the heart and not how we sacrificially follow a set of laws . His Commandments said 7th, not Saturday or Sunday. So if you feel Saturday is the correct 7th day, or Sunday, or any day in between, you're keeping the 7th day of your work week holy and set aside for rest. But in all honesty, how restful are we driving to and from church?

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