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Why did Jesus pray to the Father?
Since Jesus is God, how come He prayed to God? Wouldn't Jesus already have all the answers being that He, his self, is God? Please explain. Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Themba Nyathi on
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the bible says in John 1 v 1 -4 it reads in the beginning was word, and word was with God'... its like a son inherited the will of his living father. the son must ask permission in whatever he need to do.
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andThe word is jesus
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Linda,
>>Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God
Mary was expressing a desire to hold on to His physical presence for fear that she would once again lose Him. Jesus' reference to His ascension signifies that He would only be temporarily with them and though she desperately wanted Him to stay, He could not. Jesus was with them only 40 days. MaCarthur.
>>Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
The way I have always explained this one is that "Greater" does not mean better, nor was Jesus claiming to be inferior to the father since in many other places He claimed to be equal to the Father. However in His emptying of His glory the Father became greater than him. He gave up his full glory when He became a man. Phi. 2:7
>>Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus was not concerned while praying at the garden (when he sweat blood), so much at the physical torture He was going to have to endure nearly as much as the awful thought of experiencing the abandonment and despair that was to come upon Him by divine wrath pour upon Him. He was the sin-bearer.
Psalm 22
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1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my groaning?
Jesus gave a human response at the cross on that moment that He feared the most. The divine wrath. He had prayed if there is any other way father for this cup (the cup of wrath for the sins He would be carrying) to pass...
God can do all things, so I believe there was a moment of separation between the father and the son as the Father's wrath felt upon Him. What could be more painful for Jesus then that? He had never known such separation, but He endured it for us. The elect.
Blessings
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Good question Linda,
>> If Jesus is God (like Ginny's original question) how is it that He is talking about God as if He is not God.
Both the Father and the son refer to each other as God, because they are, while on earth and during His humanity Jesus did not go around capriciously proclaiming He is God. Instead we see Him doing all the things that only God can do.
Hebrews 1
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him." 7 In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
His servants flames of fire." 8 But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
>>"no creature can be raised to an equality with him so that agrees with the scripture in John 14:28 above."
Correct! Jesus is not created though, nor is He a creature. He is God incarnate. So Jesus and the Father are one, coequal. Jesus biological body does have a beginning at birth. He existed before that as God the Son. We cannot be coequal with the Father, which is what Wesley is pointing at, but Jesus is. In His incarnation though the Father was greater. The glorified Christ now is co-equal with the Father in all things.
Hope that helps. Blessings
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Jesus emptied Himself of His glory. Some say His attributes as well. Also God is a God of order and within the Godhead there is order. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 2
5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing, The American Standar and others say:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant,being made in the likeness of men; taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
John Wesley's Notes on the Bible
Verse 7. Yet - He was so far from tenaciously insisting upon, that he willingly relinquished, his claim. He was content to forego the glories of the Creator, and to appear in the form of a creature; nay, to be made in the likeness of the fallen creatures; and not only to share the disgrace, but to suffer the punishment, due to the meanest and vilest among them all. He emptied himself - Of that divine fulness, which he received again at his exaltation. Though he remained full, John i, 14, yet he appeared as if he had been empty; for he veiled his fulness from the sight of men and angels. Yea, he not only veiled, but, in some sense, renounced, the glory which he had before the world began. Taking - And by that very act emptying himself. The form of a servant - The form, the likeness, the fashion, though not exactly the same, are yet nearly related to each other. The form expresses something absolute; the likeness refers to other things of the same kind; the fashion respects what appears to sight and sense. Being made in the likeness of men - A real man, like other men. Hereby he took the form of a servant
Matthew Henry Concise Edition
Verses 5-11 The example of our Lord Jesus Christ is set before us. We must resemble him in his life, if we would have the benefit of his death. Notice the two natures of Christ; his Divine nature, and human nature. Who being in the form of God, partaking the Divine nature, as the eternal and only-begotten Son of God, Joh 1:1, had not thought it a robbery to be equal with God, and to receive Divine worship from men. His human nature; herein he became like us in all things except sin. Thus low, of his own will, he stooped from the glory he had with the Father before the world was. Christ's two states, of humiliation and exaltation, are noticed. Christ not only took upon him the likeness and fashion, or form of a man, but of one in a low state; not appearing in splendour.
Jamieson, Faussett, and Brown
7. made himself of no reputation, and . . . and--rather as the Greek, "emptied Himself, taking upon him the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men." The two latter clauses (there being no conjunctions, "and . . . and," in the Greek) expresses in what Christ's "emptying of Himself" consists, namely, in "taking the form of a servant" (see on Heb 10:5; compare Ex 21:5, 6, and Ps 40:6, proving that it was at the time when He assumed a body, He took "the form of a servant"), and in order to explain how He took "the form of a servant," there is added, by "being made in the likeness of men." His subjection to the law (Lu 2:21; Ga 4:4) and to His parents (Lu 2:51), His low state as a carpenter, and carpenter's reputed son (Mt 13:55; Mr 6:3), His betrayal for the price of a bond-servant (Ex 21:32), and slave-like death to relieve us from the slavery of sin and death, finally and chiefly, His servant-like dependence as man on God, while His divinity was not outwardly manifested (Isa 49:3, 7), are all marks of His "form as a servant." This proves: (1) He was in the form of a servant as soon as He was made man. (2) He was "in the form of God" before He was "in the form of a servant." (3) He did as really subsist in the divine nature, as in the form of a servant, or in the nature of man. For He was as much "in the form of God" as "in the form of a servant"; and was so in the form of God as "to be on an equality with God"; He therefore could have been none other than God; for God saith, "To whom will ye liken Me and make Me equal?" (Isa 46:5), [BISHOP PEARSON]. His emptying Himself presupposes His previous plenitude of Godhead (Joh 1:14; Col 1:19; 2:9). He remained full of this; yet He bore Himself as if He were empty.
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Permalink Reply by Carla on
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Hi Ginny,
Jesus was fully human and fully divine. He had to pray to the Father to stay closely connected and to hear God's voice, therefore showing us that is what we must do to be connected to God. Jesus understands all that we are going through, and He (in His humanness) needed that connection with God. Of coarse, He is God, but He left His Glory in heaven to reconcile us with the Father.... The is an amazing example of team work! :) Go team! :)
...something to ponder....If Jesus needed to pray to hear God's voice, how much more do we need that?
Blessings, Carla
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Permalink Reply by Theresa on
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Carla,
Amen, Jesus was fully human and fully divine and He Jesus in His humanness needed that connection with God.
Love,
Theresa
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Permalink Reply by RoyW on
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Jesus became our perfect sacrifice. Yes, He was God but had to become a man like us in every way except for our sin nature. For Him to face the same temptations as we, He had to become as we. Otherwise, the sacrifice would not be perfect. Thus, He needed to spend hours and hours in prayer. Sometimes, His God person showed up but most of the time He was just like us in every way. He faced the same temptations that I do (even much greater temptations), yet (unlike myself) never succumbed to any of them. The temptations on the night of His crucifixion would have been enormous. He could have done things differently but then our salvation could have never been attained. The prayer that night where He sweat blood, was not as an example to us - it was real. He needed that prayer. I can only praise Him for that night but never ever think to duplicate it. He is my Redeemer, my Savior, my sacrifice. He is my salvation. He became a man just like me but overcame every temptation I have faced and more but never fell. His perfection becomes my perfection. His righteousness becomes mine. I love Him for becoming a man and doing for me what I could never do. I am saved but only because of Him.
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Who is this God that became a man? I will tell you what He is to me. He is my Lord, my Savior, my Redeemer, my sacrifice, my righteousness, my holiness, my encourager, my spokesman, and on and on. We could fill pages of what He is to us. He picks me up when I fall down. Every time He picks me up, I fall down again. What does He do? Condemn? - never. He picks me back up, swats me on the behind and lovingly tells me to keep going. He promised to get me home. He promised to do everything for me I can't do for myself which is everything. What do I owe Him? Everything - you see He is my everything. How could you not love someone like that? He is my salvation. He is the reason I will spend eternity in heavenly bliss. Blessed be the Name of God Who became man and dwelt among us. His name is Jesus.
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