Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
Matthew 23:13-15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
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Sharing the Gospel is not the issue, sharing the Gospel is fine, that is not a formal office in the Church, we are all call to do that. Women are fine to do that although it's always best for women to share with woman and man to do it with men.
The preference is Always for a man to teach a man and a woman to teach a women in a one on one setting, for a multitude of reasons, which I think we are all aware of.
I young believer should be taught how to study the word so the Holy Spirit teaches him, if there are no men around to mentor him, but it's hard to believe that in a church there will be no men that can take that privilege.
A young believer should always be taught, but the biblical command is that he should be taught by men. If a church has no men around to teach then that church has serious issues and those issues should be address.
Again there is a difference between formal office and a brother to brother, sister to sister, brother to sister, sister to brother exchange. We are discussing whether woman can be Pastors according to scripture, not whether a sister can share wisdom with a brother.
Actually we were discussing how so many are divided on issues such as this and others and how we will ever reach unity with such divisions.
Anyway, ￼not everyone will be in in a church when a new believer may ask questions about Biblical truths. And if one would be permitted to impart such truths then that is the same as if they have taught them. The mature in Christ have been taught by the Spirit and perseverance. It makes no difference the gender when they are able to address matters that they are knowledgeable on to those needing knowledge in such situations. It is also a topic Jesus never broached.
So my inclination is that Paul was speaking to the situation of division in that church, something Jesus did hold to. And unless the Spirit shows me otherwise, that is what I get from every study of this. And I know that teaching in that particular area is exactly what I've been called to. So to believe either is wrong in that is the same as believing that we cannot be lead by the same Spirit in this.
Since God imparts what He wishes to each one, and since none of us know fully, we could both be right or both be wrong. Yet it is not a matter of discord...or shouldn't be. The church should not be divided over such issues since all are called to preach the Gospel and encourage one another and pray together. Today's church is indeed very different from the kind of church Jesus desired we have.
A young believer as far as young in age is fine. Women are placed over the young kids & children. That's one of our many jobs. But, if this person is a grown man & is young in the faith, I don't feel a woman should teach him as an authority figure. Now, I have people ask me questions online - men. I do answer their questions if I have the answer or I use to. My husband has asked me to no longer do this though & that they needed to seek out a Christian man for this or I could suggest them someone to talk to about it. I still do it on here because of my role here but we don't have anyone online anymore anyways & when they ask, it's usually in open chat so anyone can participate if they are there. Those who go to pc & ask me questions are usually younger like late teens early 20's.
For me, I can't think of any situation where there wouldn't be a man to teach another one the Word & you would be their only option unless you was on the moon or something. There is a difference in speaking with someone & working the Lord into that conversation than teaching someone as an authority figure over them. I'm sure there are special circumstances like they could be in a desperate situation & needed answers right then because they were dying or something. lol. No, I really can't think of any.
And I thought the same thing Seek, that the discussion was about unity in the church & how petty differences divide the church & here we are discussing one of those petty issues. The difference here is that we know one another & have communicated our thoughts on the Word for so many years that we know we don't agree on all of it. We also know that the few of us are in it for the long haul regardless. We also know that we wouldn't offend the other or at least not on purpose & if we do, we'll be the first to make amends.
Yet, in the roles you posted here Seek, none are over a man. None are in the place of authority. None.
David have you ever thought that the view of women promoted in your post is a total result of the fall and the subsequent curse. It is not Gods original plan. - I have placed in bold the portion I am referring to.
Genesis 3:16 (ISV)
16 He told the woman,
“I’ll greatly increase the pain of your labor during childbirth;
it will be painful for you to bear children.
“Your trust turns toward your husband,
yet he will dominate you.”
We are told to seek first the kingdom and His righteousness not perpetuate the results of a fallen world.
It is good to hear from you.
You make a valid point, but I am not promoting a view of women at all, I am simply stating the facts and trying to make the point that I think God is making by not using women in such ways.
Indeed the portion you highlighted is not God's original plan, that is very obvious since it's part of the curse.
God has always done what he wants with whomever he wants, He is God, he has every right to do it and he does it perfectly. God could have raised a women to do whatever he desired her to do, but it seems to me that God has chosen not to use women the same way he uses men and visa versa.
I had never read the verse in the ISV version, not sure if the word "trust" would be the correct word to use there, but I have not look into that.
I fail to see how stating what I believe God teaches and established in his word is perpetuating the results of a fallen world.