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sometimes I pray that God will take my flesh nature away. I know that will never happen. PAUL Talked about it in Romans 7. But in Romans 8 he talks about our spiritual nature . And that nature of course is the only way of pleasing God. Does anybody else really struggle with this?

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From what I see in Scripture, when we are born again, we are a new creation. The old is gone. 2 Cor 5:17. The battle then begins between the spirit and the flesh because the flesh remains not regenerated. We must subdue the flesh and Galatians 5:16 tells us, "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (KJB). 

The two terms "the flesh"and "the sinful nature" are often used as synonyms. In my POV, there is a difference between them. 

Our identity changes when we experience new birth and the new life begins. No, we aren't living in perfect sinlessness but our new identity in Christ and through Christ is one of being holy, righteous, and sanctified, positionally. Scripture also mentions sanctification in another sense -- that of being progressive, a lifelong process of walking and growing and living in holiness.

One author sums it up this way:

Several texts point to the fact that God sanctifies his people once and for all, through the work of Christ on the cross. Other texts link sanctification with conversion or baptism into Christ, highlighting the work of the Holy Spirit through the gospel, consecrating believers to God as his holy people under the New Covenant. (David Peterson, Possessed by God: A New Testament Theology of Sanctification and Holiness (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1995), p. 13.)

To answer your question, yes, we all struggle in the battle between the spirit and the flesh. Whether we have two natures, or not, after becoming a new creation in Christ Jesus is something that is debated. 

I think at the following link is a good article. It points out: Our “death” is that of the old sin nature which was nailed to the cross with Christ. It was buried with Him, and just as He was raised up by the Father, so are we raised up to “walk in newness of life” (Romans 6:4). That new person that was raised up is what Paul refers to in 2 Corinthians 5:17 as the “new creation.”
Thank you Michelle! Also phillipians 1:6 tells us that God will continue to perfect us until the return of Christ . Thank you my sister

Yes Mike I know that I struggle and I believe that we as Christians all struggle with this. Powerful scripture that is a reminder of this is 2 Corinthians 12. I am paraphrasing here, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. This is were the term "die to self" is important. By prayer and the conviction of the Holy Spirit we keep close to God's word and purpose for us. The gift of the Holy Spirit is HUGE in all these circumstances. He is our Great Counselor! 

Hi Mike,

We all struggle with this.. it's the sanctification process.  Part of the process is identifying that there is a sin nature to deal with in the first place.  You are in a good place to identify that there is a problem in the first place.

This may be a bit off topic...but stay with me for a moment:

I'm a mother of two of them has significant anger temper issues.  I'm in the process of teaching him that anger itself is not a sin...there are things in this life that we are supposed to be angry at.  For instance, we're supposed to be angry at injustice...but not a self focused selfish harmful anger, a righteous anger that leads to justice for others, putting others first who are at risk to be harmed by injustice.  And even then, the anger is God given to lead us to a heart for serving those 'others' who are victims of injustice...anger properly focused and functional, leading us to action... can be righteous and good and helpful.  We are to be angry at our own sin.. We are to be so angry at it that we are to hate it.

Sometimes I have a hard time remembering that the process of learning and growth is slow.  Think of shaving for example... You know that when you shave, your facial hair grows back, but you can't see it growing until late in the evening.  My husband is surprised by his own beard's occurring but it is so slow that he can't see it.  This is the same with our new nature.  Sometimes the process is so slow we may get discouraged and/or begin to doubt that anything at all is actually changing.  However, if you think back to when you first began, you will realize there has been significant growth.  The process has been slow....but it's not a quick fix.  It's a process that will last because 'root' foundational issues have been dealt with.  God is so patient with us... He's far more patient with us than we are with ourselves.  I think it's because He understands us far better than we understand ourselves.

Blessings, Carla

Thank you Carla , I have been a believer for about 30 years now. And it has been a slow process with my sin issue. I hate it but still keep pressing on .
God bless you thank you

Praise God!

Hebrews 12:1-3

Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, [a]fixing our eyes on Jesus, the [b]author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary [c]and lose heart.


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