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Can everyone please offer their insight into the below teaching? I am sharing a tiny piece here. The info below is taken from the DHT (Devine Healing Technician) training done by Curry R. Blake, John G Lake Ministries. All is available online for free. Please could you comment only if you have listened to or done the training.

  1. Devine healing is the right and responsibility of every Christian. It is your right given to you by God and your responsibility to pass on to others.
  2. Any hindrance to the healing of any Christian or non-Christian, is not of God.
  3. God is not our problem, He is rather our help. Sickness is not sent by God to teach us something, you may learn from it, but it is not sent to teach us. Sickness is used by the devil to kill you. Anything that keeps you from fulfilling the Great Commission is not from God.
  4. Any hindrance to healing is on the part of the enemy, the devil. Once you are aware of that, you can be ready to fight against it, anywhere, anytime.
  5. Any sickness and disease can be overcome by a Christian who exercises faith and power. It is always Gods will to defeat sickness and disease.
  6. The enemy is not a serious hindrance and can be overcome with the tools provided by God. The devil is afraid you will find out who you are in Christ and who He is in you. Once you know those 2 things, you will realise that the enemy cannot stop you, and if he tries to resist you, he cannot hold out for long. He only tries to resist because he knows most Christians will give up. You must not waiver, never give in! Refuse to bare you sickness!
  7. The enemy can only be truly defeated with Spiritual Weapons.
  8. Christians and non-Christians can be healed when a Christian exerts Kingdom Authority.
  9. All sickness and disease is the work of the enemy and must be defeated whenever and wherever they are encountered.

I believe Curry’s message is of God, it has truly touched my life. For an awesome book full of Scriptural references as well, please read  “Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by Dr T.J. McCrossan.

 

Be blessed!!

Dave

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Well I haven't done this specific training except through years of experience with the Pentecostal church. This same message has been preached hundreds of times throughout those years. And it's usually preached by someone who has had the same colds, flus, broken bones, etc. that we've all had.

When I encounter the faith healing believer I always have one question...can you explain 2 Corinthians 12:7-8?

Faith heals but it's not a guarantee. Jesus allowed Lazarus to die to show a miracle. When asked who sinned to cause the man to be blind, He said the man was born blind to show the work of God. We can have all the faith in the world yet it's ultimately His decision.

The faith healing message does a lot to condemn the one with faith who hasn't been healed, rather than being encouraging. And we should encourage one another in the faith.

I agree, we should encourage one another and this specific message is meant to empower Christians, not condemn. What has really helped me believe this is being grounded in the fact that healing is in the Atonement. If you have time, please listen to Curry Blake’s DHT training and New Man, they are like no other teaching I have ever heard. It is all scriptural and it will give you a greater understanding of healing in the atonement and who we are in Christ.

Regarding Pauls thorn, this is some of what I have learnt and it makes sense to me. Anytime a “thorn in the flesh” is mentioned in the Bible, it always refers to a person or a people and never to a sickness (Num 33:55, Joshua 23:13, Judges 8:7) In the passages, it also always mentions exactly what that thorn is. Paul is no different, he mentions his thorn as “ …the messenger of Satan to buffet me..” (2Cor 12:7) A messenger refers to an angel, to buffet means to beat or strike with the fist, referring to the times Paul was mobbed & beaten.Furthermore, not once, does Paul, in all his writings of what he has suffered, ever mention any kind of sickness or an eye disease. (2Cor 6:1-10, 2Cor 11:23-28).

My apologies for not going more in depth into this, but there is so much information I could write for days, but it is all mentioned by Curry in his teachings.

 Thank you for taking the time to reply and for expressing your concerns.

 

Be blessed!

Dave

Well Jesus also said ask anything and you will receive it but again there's Paul's thorn. There's other passages to consider and context that shows having faith healing doesn't mean you will definitely be healed. It doesn't mean you can't be healed but as Jesus prayed ”your will be done". A lot of what we want and have faith for may not be His will for us for some reason. I've seen people truly believing in healing not get healed and others telling them they must truly believe...Like they didn't. That's condeming and leaves the person questioning their own faith. There's been times I truly felt God would heal me...To the point I wouldn't take medicine...And I got worse. So I've come to believe if it's His will and it apparently wasn't. One guy I know who is so into faith healing believed his hearing in one ear would be restored. It's been 4 or 5 years. He's still deaf in that ear and still believing he'll be healed. And I've seen a friend prayed for over cancer and one place was removed while the others also diagnosed as cancerous were no longer cancerous. So can healing occur, yes? Can we believe and become discouraged, yes if others condemn and if we don't also realize it's ultimately up to God.

Hi Seek, thanks again for taking the time to reply.

I understand your concerns and you are right, it is very easy to become discouraged. I too, was battling a disease, without any hope. First I trusted medication, then natural supplements and then diet. These had all failed me. All we really need is some hope and Christ has become that hope for me. I am now recovering without man’s help! As you mention, people will condemn what they don’t understand, it’s so much easier blaming someone else.

I know a lot of damage has been done because of false teachings and asking with the provisio “if it be Thy will”. Jesus did say “Your will be done”, but it was not concerning healing. 

It is always God’s will to heal, 3 John 1:2  reads, “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers. Mat 9:35 reads,“ …and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.” As much a Christ bore our sins, he also bore or sickness. Isa 53:4 reads “Surely he hath borne our griefs [sickness, disease], and carried our sorrows [affliction,anguish]” In 1Peter 2:24, we read, “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree … by whose stripes [bruise] you were healed”. We were healed over 2000 years ago, why do we need to ask God for what He has already given? We must be careful not to lower the standard of God’s Word based on our own experiences.

 

Paul’s thorn was not a sickness. Act 19:11,12 reads, “And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:  So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.” Do you really believe that Paul would perform these miracles, and yet, do so, bearing his own sickness? Would he not have thought “let’s try one of these handkerchiefs on this annoying eye disease I have”?

 

I implore you, please listen to Curry Blake’s DHT training and New Man, it explains and expands beyond what I ever can here.

 

Be Blessed!!

Dave

Our pastor spoke on this last night. And his comment was "it rains on the just and the unjust". Yes Jesus wants us to prosper and be in good health but didn't state we all will be. We may later, we may never. He said to go heal but even He didn't heal everyone He met because of a lack of faith in the area. Crowds gathered around Him and some had to be sick but Scripture only mentions certain healings. The healer and one being healed both need faith, but we will always have trouble. We live in a sinful world. Job was righteous yet was sick for a reason. The blind man was born blind for a reason and Lazurus died for a reason. One came before Him and asked if He was willing. He believed Jesus could heal him but didn't know if He'd be willing to.

You said you are recovering. Jesus healed instantly. That's not to say God's not healing you but it's His decision on how. Paul said that physical exercise was of some benefit and if any were sick have the elders pray over them. So while healing can occur, it won't always. We can still believe God wants us well but know it's ultimately up to Him so we aren't discouraged if it doesn't happen.

When Jesus said He was willing to heal, according to the Strong’s Concordance, Jesus was actually saying ““I will always do it because it is my intense desire and longing to act on my nature which is to deliver.” In the Wuest Expanded translation Mat 8:3 reads “…and having stretched out His hand He touched him saying, I am desiring it from all my heart. Be cleansed at once.” It is in Gods very nature to heal.  

Job was righteous, but he was not under the New Covenant we are under. If both the healer and one being healed need faith, then who had faith for Lazurus? It’s like saying you must first be sinless to accept Christ as your Lord. If this was the case, none of us would be saved. I believe that is used by Christians/Pastors who pray for the sick and don't get results, instead of taking the blame for their own unbelief , they condemn the ones they are praying for, saying "you didn't have enough faith etc."

Jesus healed all he came across.  Math reads 12:15  "But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all”. Again Luk 6:19 reads “And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all” Sometimes, the crowds totalled over 15000 people. Did they all have faith to be healed? Did Jesus sit down with each of them and check their faith, go into their detailed medical history? No He didin’t, He healed them all. 

Sometimes healing is instant, sometimes it is a process. Mar 16:18 reads  “… they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Recovering is a process, meaning we return to a normal, healthy state. Would I prefer instant, of course, wouldn’t anyone?  I would more be angry than discouraged if it didn’t happen, angry with our enemy the devil, who will always try hinder our healing.

Becoming born again also includes healing, but most Christians don't even know it - Rom 10:9 reads, “ That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved (sozo, meaning delivered, protected, healed, be made whole)

 

Be Blessed!!

Dave

Then why do some people believe they'll be healed right up until the day they die? The reason why both need faith is that Christ didn't heal those without faith and they didn't get healing from one without faith. You're either going to have a faithless person praying or you're too faithless to receive healing. But while Jesus was "willing" to heal, sometimes healing isn't in the best interest. They can have loads of faith in healing yet a proud heart and therefore His will is more so that they have a heart change so He may withhold healing. This is why it's ultimately up to God, faith or no faith.

I can’t really comment on why some people believe up until the day they die, I do not know their circumstances nor their backgrounds as Christians.

Remember Eph 6:12 reads, “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” This is a reality, we have an enemy who wants to destroy every single one of us. 1Pe 5:8 reads “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour:”

Just because our law says it is a crime to steal, does this prevent burglars breaking into our homes? Same with our lives, the devil has no right, but he does it any way, for he is a criminal. This will continue to happen until we, as Gods “policeman”, show up. Rom 8:19 reads  “For the earnest expectation of the creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.”

We should never be afraid of the devil as Rom 16:20 reads “And the God of peace shall bruise(crush completely) satan under your feet shortly…” and 2Co 10:4 reads “For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds” and also James 4:7  “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

Hi Meinke. I agree with a lot you said, especially that everything must line up with the Word of God, no question. However, you say all sickness is for a reason, if this were true, that would mean the result would be that everyone, with a disease or sickness, become Christian and turn to God.

God is not a respecter of people. What about all the non-Christians who die, having no idea about God or why they are sick.? Surely what God does for one He must do for the other? Act 10:34 “Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:”

 

Below is taken from Bodily Healing and the Atonement by Dr. T. J. McCrossan:

“Let us begin by asking a very important question: “How did sickness enter this world?” Our answer is found in Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned”. Then physical death and all that produces it are the direct results of sin. But how came man to sin? Read Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 3:1-19, and you will find that it was Satan who caused our first parents to disobey God. Then Satan is the real originator of sin, sickness, and death. Many deny this and say that God Himself is the real author of sickness and death because He said to Adam (Genesis 2:17), “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. But who caused Adam and Eve to disobey God’s command and so bring sin, sickness, and death into this world? Satan. Then Satan, and not God, is the real author of sin, sickness, and death."

 Please listen to Curry Blake’s DHT and New Man teachings, it is awesome stuff.

I just saw a good article on why saying everything happens for a reason is bad. Will see if I can find it.
Why Christians Should Stop Saying “Everything Happens for a Reason”

By Jarrid Wilson

I can’t begin to explain how many times I’ve heard the phrase “Everything happens for a reason” growing up, especially while surrounded by many people who would consider themselves Christians or people of faith. And while I understand that this statement is mostly used to help comfort and console people who are in times of turmoil and uncertainty, I’ve had a hard time wrapping my head around the validity of its meaning.

I come from a place where I believe that not everything in life happens for a reason, but that everything that does happen can ultimately be redeemed and used by God for a purpose (Romans 8:28). These two things are quite different if you begin to unpack their meaning and understanding.

We live in a fallen world, a world full of sinful people, people who are in need of the grace of Jesus. With this being said, we have to understand that there are things in this world that are going to take place that aren’t of God, his character or his doing. He may have allowed them to happen, but he didn’t forcefully direct them. Many might disagree with my last statement depending on their theology, but I hold true to my belief that God does not have his hand in sin, darkness or anything contrary to that of good as it states in 1 John 1:5, 2 Corinthians 5:1 and 1 John 3:5.

When someone uses the phrase “Everything happens for a reason,” what they could be saying to somebody is the following:

“Your father died of Cancer for a reason.”
“Your son got hit by a drunk driver for a reason.”
“Your child was stillborn for a reason.”
“You were abused as a child for a reason.”
“You were raped or sexually assaulted for a reason.”
“You are struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts for a reason.”
“Your spouse cheated on you for a reason.”
“Your friend was murdered for a reason.”
“Your house caught on fire for a reason.”
“Your friend committed suicide for a reason.”
And so on…

That’s who He is.

When you begin to really look at some of these statements for what they are, the phrase “Everything happens for a reason” seems to make a lot less sense and sound a lot more misleading. But what doesn’t change when looking at these phrases is the fact that God can bring redemption to each of them, use them for a purpose and allow the testimonies that come out of them help further his kingdom. That’s who he is. That’s what he does.

We have to be careful when using lofty statements and responses that sound good for the moment, but can actually be harmful in the long run—especially as it pertains to one’s views on God and his hand in their life. If one really believes that everything happens for a reason, then one has to also ask themselves whether or not they believe God would have his hand in circumstances and actions contrary to that of his Word and character.

I believe;

Some are misinterpreting the word “REASON” They are assuming they are saying it happened for a purpose, rather than the reason it happened is “someone messed up: is the REASON it happened” etc.

This reasoning comes from the teaching that “everything that happens or, (happens to you) either God caused it to happen, or God allowed it to happen” therefore it must have been God’s will that it happened.

Which to me is absurd. If a person ran a stop sign, and had a wreck and was injured, could you say the city, or police allowed the wreck to happen? Or would you say the man/woman was injured because he disobeyed the law? Wouldn’t it be rather, it was the persons own negligence that caused “the reason” it happened? We have a choice, obey the law and live, or disobey the law and die.

Deut. 30:19 (KJV)
 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

You do have that choice.

Now, the reason I say this is, because not long ago I was watching a well-known television evangelist say this very thing, they are a member of the AOG denomination, by the way.

How can a Pentecostal preacher believe anything so ridicules?  

As far as

Romans 8:24-27 goes, For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
  Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

What things work together for good to them that love God, is He talking about?

 

 I believe if we keep this in context, we will see that the things He is mentioning in the previous verses, will be the things that are working for the good of the believers. I.e. Being saved by hope, with patience waiting for it, and the Spirit helping our lack of knowledgewhich would be our infirmity “of knowing how to pray, or intercede, for the ones we are praying for. Why else would we be praying in the Spirit? To get the knowledge of God pertaining to the situation at hand. Why else would Peter kneel down and pray before turning to the body of Tabitha, if he didn’t need to know what he should pray for, or intercede for her? Acts 9:40, But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up. With patience he waited for the answer from God, or the Holy Spirit. And if he didn’t have hope that she would be raised up, he would never have prayed.

My thoughts.

 

  

 

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