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Forgive but stay away is it so ?
The Bible says we need to forgive others and forget their Sins what if you can truly forgive a person, but not want to associate with them anymore ??? Does it work ??
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Permalink Reply by ribbon on
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Also, Can a human being really possibly withstand what Jesus did ? My mind says no way... but like I said I don't know scripture.
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Permalink Reply by Tammy on
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There were many crucifixions when Jesus walked the earth. Now whether they had to endure pulling the beard out of their face, beat with whips imbedded with shards of steel, spit on, beat - I don't know. I know I'm not wanting to try to see if I could endure. I'd run out of breath & just die right there carrying that cross up that hill. lol
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Tammy, I wish I could remember the video or tv of a man going in the most detailed description of Jesus' sacrifice I have ever heard. He said that many were killed on the crosses as Jesus. He said some who followed Jesus and who were to die were singing on the way to those crosses. He said none suffered as Jesus did though . None of them suffered the pain of our sin. My low intellect could never explain as he did. I wish I could remember.
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I totally understand Janie. I don't think they were treated like He was either. He was truly hated.
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Grace, I'm not sure where you see anyone being biting mad at you whatsoever. This is a discussion board so we're discussing. Our opinions will not always be the same but no one is mad. I personally think you are misunderstanding what everyone is saying. We're saying we absolutely 100% forgive them. There are different situations whether you allow people to re-enter back your lives. Absolutely, we're to witness to the lost. There are also those times that the Lord tells us not to cast the pearls to the swine. It also says to kick the sand off your feet & walk away. There are also situations where Paul handed over lives to Satan. I don't see anyone saying they don't love them or are not praying for them, etc. But nothing in those verses you posted says to bring them back into your home or your life, especially if it's for the safety of your family. I'm not sure where you find in Scriptures where we should continue to allow others to beat you down.
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And for the person that mentioned that they are so sorry that they don't have the "Godly love and forgiveness" that I do
Grace,
I am going to back off from this topic for now. I seem to have upset you. This isnt and was not my intentions. I was simply giving my views to the forum question . I do want to make it clear though that I did not say exactly as you quoted as "the person" mentioned. What I said was this--->
I don't have the godly love that you apparently have.
I don't have this godly love because of not being a a godly person I am not a Christian. I was complimenting you. In my opinion you seem loving but yet at the same time you seem to be a very defensive person . I am also ......... Now I will step back from this topic.
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I concur with Janie. Maybe we should walk away from this one. I don't want to upset you any more then I have Grace. It's obviously put you on the defensive & that isn't a good place to be. So sorry if I offended you.
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Praise God cause that was the last thing I would want to do to my sister in Christ. Have a blessed 4th.
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Permalink Reply by Seek on
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No, you would treat them as a non-believer and someone who is in need of the Gospel, prayer, and love.
Nothing says you can't love from a distance. In fact, scripture admonishes us to do so with sinners:
1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”
Proverbs 13:20 Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.Those verses are saying to not "associate" with bad company/sinners or we will suffer harm. Love them, treat them well. Don't go to dinner with them, don't share space with them, don't allow them into your inner sanctum where they can ruin your peace with God and mess up your ability to truly love by irritating you to the point that you begin to have hate creep in.
Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them
Even this verse says nothing about walking with them. Loving someone doesn't require you make them a part of your personal life. You can bless them and pray for them without even going near them. But if you HAVE to be near them, don't curse them, don't retaliate, but forgive.
And if you have to step into that lions den, you KNOW, that the Savior is with you.
Yes...if you HAVE to. But scripture doesn't tell us to do it repeatedly and intentionally. In fact, it tells us if they don't listen, to shake the dust from our feet, not to go back in and try again until they beat you down.
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Permalink Reply by ScribeD on
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I believe in absolute forgiveness - God forgave me that way. But I do not believe in unconditional forgiveness. Let me explain:
Consider 1 Corinthians 5:9-13. Read it and see that the Apostle Paul is also saying there are conditions. Yes, forgive, but do not tolerate evil.
"9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Forgiveness does not require you to tolerate evil. Forgiveness means that you do not seek retribution for the offense.
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