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I've been so busy I haven't kept up here, but I wanted to pose a question that I will also pose in the forums.

I wanted to check out the beliefs of a local church that is closer to home where a family member attends.

Everything seemed to be good until I read their stand on gifts.

We believe that God is sovereign in the bestowing of his gifts, and that these gifts are intended to edify the Church. We believe that the gifts of healing, tongues, interpretation of tongues, performance of miracles, and other gifts associated with the charismatic movement were temporary, sign gifts that are no longer needed after the completion of the New Testament and therefor are not practiced in the Church today. We do believe that the sick may call on the elders of the Church to administer anointing oil and to pray for them. God is the great and divine healer and does hear and answer prayers of faith in accordance with His will for the sick and afflicted.

Where does scripture tell us the gifts were only temporary? How can one say the believe God bestows gifts but then say....except these?

A lot of churches hold this belief, but I've always heard the reasoning as being they "believe" (they believe they were only for the 12 or only for a time...though Paul spoke in tongues but wasn't one of the 12). What I haven't seen is any of them say...this is what scripture says.

So if we say the Bible is truth and the Bible says God gives the gifts of prophesy, tongues, healing, etc., aren't we saying God's Word isn't true?

Isn't it more plausible to believe that people's trust and belief in miracles has grown dim rather than God only giving temporary gifts while saying they follow everyone who believes rather than just the New Testament saints?

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Hello Mark, Thanks for responding to the questions I proposed.

I appreciate you taking the time and effort to answer the questions.

I can see that we are of different persuasions concerning the Word of God.

However the differences has little to do with our salvation, only doctrinal.

So I would like to discuss these questions one at a time, if it is ok with you?

I see that the apostles were not the foundation of the Church, only their message was that which the church was built on, which was the gospel of Christ, as it was in Mat.16:17, “Revelation of the rock Christ Jesus” There is only one foundation and that foundation is Christ alone, the apostles were part of the structure that was built on Christ, “Jesus the Christ”, is the chief corner stone. Jesus is the one that brought salvation to the world, by the sacrifice of Himself. How can a Spiritual Church be built on material things, or on a person, or persons?

WE find throughout the New Testament that Jesus at times spoke from His humanity side and other times He spoke from His Deity side. “Examples” John 5:30, Jesus said “By Myself I can do nothing, I judge only as I hear, and my judgement is just, because I seek not to please Myself, but to please Him that sent Me.” Another alluding to His humanity, when in Rom.8:29,
 “ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”  I’m sure you know that we become children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Seems one of the biggest hindrances of understanding Scripture is, intellectualism. Reading a common book and its message, is quite different than reading the Word of God. The Word of God is spiritual, where the common book written by man is interpreted by man’s wisdom and understanding. 1st. Cor.2:10-16,
 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
For the natural man receiveth not the things of God, for they are foolishness unto him, and neither can he know them, for they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of CHRIST.

Jo.6:63,  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 But there are some of you that believe not. We are transformed by the renewing of the mind. Ro.12:2.

By being led by the Spirit of God and not by our intellect, we can know the will of God, this is why I pray in tongues, when I don’t know what I should pray for “as I aught” The Spirit helps that infirmity, which is in my flesh. Rom.8:26,

I believe in all the gifts are for the New Creation folks, I can’t see anywhere in the Word where they ceased.

There’s a lot that can be said and proven in the Word of God, but I’m not trying to convince anyone, bible says “as Ye have therefore received Christ so walk ye in Him.” Col.2:6

Blessings JB

Would still like to address the other questions if you want to discuss them.      


Hi JB,

I won't be able to respond for at least 2 weeks as my plate is completely full till then.


I'm checking out from AAG for a spell. Don't worry about responding to the other questions. Lord Bless


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