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S.O.A.P. #5
Greetings all,
I will continue to try something on TheNET. I would like to see if we can engage in a Bible study using the forums. I hope to simulate a small group setting, but realize that there will be lag time. Here are the parameters that we will work with ... and this is open to everyone.
1) We are attempting to work our way through the gospel of John.
2) We will not tolerate negative comments made about a person or persons.
3) We are using the S.O.A.P. approach which = Scripture - Observation - Application - Prayer.
... 3a) Scripture text from the Gospel of John using KJV (no copyright attached)
... 3b)Observations about the particular text. What is being said, what is going on, who is involved and what might be the points being made?
... 3c) Application of the text/teaching to our lives today.
... 3d) Prayer pertaining to that which we have sought to discern.
4) It is appropriate to ask questions along the way.
5) I operating as the facilitator and teacher of this online group/class, but want the open participation of others.
6) At the end of each week (Friday's) I will close the current one and start a new one.
This weeks discussion:
John 3:1-9 KJV There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (2) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. (3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? (5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (9) Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
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Richard, the verse you paraphrased comes from Matthew 7 and involves instruction for recognizing false prophets. The verses following those specific verses then deal with false disciples. I believe there is truth in the statement that salvation will be evidenced by good works. However, what I was pointing out in my previous statements is that, in all cases of either true and false prophets and true and false disciples, it can be difficult to discern the false from the genuine, but not impossible. One of the "fruits" that I look for now in disciples to determine falsehood is if they are working in an effort to fulfill and meet the conditions of discipleship in order to be saved. By the same token, I also look for the belief that it is OK to be void and barren of good works. But -- I also throw into the mix the fact that we don't know hearts and we often judge based on outward appearances -- what we see, hear, etc ... Yet, no one is perfect. A cold heart can be beneath sweet words and a warm heart beneath angry, bitter words. We often don't see the whole picture. We make judgments on the details. You are right in saying God knows hearts. There's never any hiding of the truth from God. We are to love everyone, the true and the false, but our love for those who are of the household of God is the most revealing. I see LT's point there and I agree completely on that.
Matthew 7:15-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
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Food for thought: the thing that makes the false so dangerous is how genuine it often appears. For me, doctrine is a good example of fruit and can be good or bad, false or true. There again, discernment between what is true and what is false is very difficult, at least for me.
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