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Question: "Will there be a second chance for salvation after the Rapture?"
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Permalink Reply by Rita Cullimore on
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Hi, Ron.
Thank you for bringing up this topic. I have heard pastors preach that if one hears the message and still do not repent, that they won't have the opportunity after the Rapture occurs. To me, there will be people who haven't accepted Christ as Savior because they "just don't get it" they just don't understand. I believe God knows who truly doesn't understand and if they are left at the Rapture, those people won't be blinded, but will receive insight at that time.
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. Wheaton : Standard Bible Society, 2001, S. 2 Th 2:10
Please don't come to the conclusion that I think all will be saved. But i think those that don't have complete understanding will be given the chance for complete understanding.
There are those that won't be saved regardless of what happens because they will continue to live as they have always lived, following after the one they think has the easiest path. These won't be saved, but they won't want to be saved because they think they are right in what they believe and do.
I know this isn't a popular belief as to what 2 thess 2:10 means but it is what I believe.
Blessings,
Rita
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Permalink Reply by Ron Payne on
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I have a problem with people becoming Christians after the Rapture.
Accepting The Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour is an act of faith. Where does faith come in if millions of people suddenly get raptured and those left behind might say: "OOOPS, I made a BOO-BOO., I better do as they suggested and accept Jesus as my Lord an Saviour." This is not faith. Today is the time for all Gentile nations to repent. Tomorrow will be too late.
I believe that after the Rapture, this priviledge will only be applied to the Jewish Nation, when Christ comes as KIng and the entire Jewish nation mourns (repents) as they realise that Jesus is indeed their Messaiah, whom they crucified.
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zec 12:10
Clarke in his commentary
I will pour upon the house of David - This is the way in which the Jews
themselves shall be brought into the Christian Church.
1. “They shall have the spirit of grace,” God will show them that he yet bears favor to them.
2. They shall be excited to fervent and continual prayer for the restoration of the Divine favor.
3. Christ shall be preached unto them; and they shall look upon and believe in him whom they pierced,
whom they crucified at Jerusalem.
4. This shall produce deep and sincere repentance; they shall mourn, and be in bitterness of soul,
to think that they had crucified the Lord of life and glory, and so long continued to contradict and
blaspheme, since that time.
Finally if people hear that they will have another opportunity after the Rapture, they will be inclined to put off their decision for later. Yet the Word says: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;" Jos 24:15
"For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." 2Cor 6:2
Now, Today, is the Gospel dispensation, and therefore Now is the day of salvation; this is, the very time in which the power of God is present to heal, and in which every sinner believing on the Lord Jesus may be saved.
Blessings
Ron
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Permalink Reply by RoyW on
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Ron,
And then there are those like me that believe the resurrection and the rapture are synonymous. However, those which are dead in Christ rise first. I do not believe there will be subsequent catchings away. This is it. If you miss this one, you are lost. There are no second chances. However, I was taught as a young person that there would be more catchings away than just the one. I suppose if you believe that you would probably believe there would be a second chance. Yet, if the rapture happens at the end of the tribulation, I think most people will have assuredly made up their mind by then whether or not they truly believe. The Scripture speaks of a great falling away during this period. I think this will certainly divide the believers from the unbelievers.
None of us can be absolutely sure of the timing of His coming. I do believe that the believer will go through the tribulation quite unlike many Evangelicals.
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Hi Brother Roy,
Thank you for your input.
I believe that Christians will go through the first three and a half years, when the Anti-Christ is busy establishing himself. Then we would have a Mid Trib Rapture. If not, "Why all the instructions to Christians in Scripture to avoid i.e "the mark of the Beast" if we are not going to be here?" (Pre-Trib Rapture
Regarding Post Trib Rapture - Lots of good reasons for it, but to be truthful I have not quite made up my mind.
Is it not wonderful how God has designed the Bible? It is a book that will not allow a cursory glance, but the more one studies the more one wants to know.
Blessings
Ron
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Amen, Bro Ron,
I left the camp of the pre-trib rapture decades ago. However, I don't speak of it too often since so many have been taught over the years that there would be a rapture before the tribulation. I just don't think Scripture in any way supports that. When one gives a close look at the evidence that is given for the pre-trib rapture, it is seen as being on pretty shaky ground. I think in the end it is born out of the idea that God would never put His people through such a horrible time as that is going to be. We certainly would prefer to skip that one. However, the idea that God would not put His people through those kinds of time is just not supported in Scripture. They have certainly had to endure some tough times in the past. Some are going through some very tough times today.
Even though I believe we are going through the entire tribulation, I always say I am on the first boat out of here. I would like nothing more than to be wrong on this one.
Great subject. I hope it gets going.
Roy
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Permalink Reply by margaret on
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its not for you to make up your mind, its what scripture says is all that matters. scripture also says that the Restrainer will be removed before antichrist appears. referred to as He. this points to a pretrib rapture
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Hi Margaret,
You sound angry: "it not for you to make up your mind, its what scriture says is all that matters."
I agree that the Scritures are all that matters, but the Lord does want us to study to receive His approval and show ourselves as worthy workemen. Failing which, how are we able to make up our minds about what the scriptures say by simply believing? What are we to believe?
For instance the Bible says: " It would be better to have a millstone tied around your neck and caste into the sea, than to offend a child" Luke 17:2 Somewhere else in the New testament it says: "go and do likewise."
Also I might be out of my depth here, I was sure I would find the word "Restrainer" In fact I am sure I have seen it in the Bible myself. But no ways can I find it. Could anyone be of assitance here?
Ron
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Ron,
It is good to hear from you. The verse she is talking about is in 2 Thessalonians.
2 Thess 2:5-7
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know that which restraineth, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only (there is) one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way. ASV
However, the verse does not place the rapture before the tribulation. The first of the chapter does talk about the coming of the Lord. I personally believe the coming of the Lord will be at the resurrection, not seven years before. I don't see anyway to separate the two. Some feel this verse is speaking of the invasion of Jerusalem in AD 70. It is impossible to state that absolutley. That is the reason I hesitate to discuss this issue. I grew up with pretribbers. Some can get pretty dogmatic about what they have been taught. I was taught it my entire early Christian life. I now see it is full of flaws.
Blessings. How is you wife doing?
Roy
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Hi Roy,
Good to hear from you my friend and brother,
There has been very little activity on AAG. In fact I'm surprised that folk are still on this particular subject started some time ago. Never the less it is always good to read comments and can learn from them.
How are you and your Bride keeping? My Bride has been through a really rough patch. We almost lost her after surgery.. I phoned our son and told him that she was at deaths door. He flew down from Johannesburg, walked into the ICU ward, took one look at her and said: "She's drowning, her lungs are full of fluid" He instructed the staff to bring a drainage system which he set up and then contacted a Specialist physician to watch over her. He instructed the surgeon who was quite happy to leave things as they were, despite the sudden deterioration....... to stay away.
Port Edward and surrounding towns are literally small Villages and I'm afraid doctors do not get hands on practice that Doctors do in the larger cities such as Johannesburg etc. Which I guess accounts for their lack of experience.
Never the less she is OK but not OK! if you get my drift. Les says we must not "Molly Coddle" her, but rather let her do whatever she feels she needs to do around the house, which will assist in her recovery.
Yes! Prophecy can be exciting and yet if too much emphasis is put on it, one can come adrift rather badly. During my 55 odd years as a Christian I have noticed that many who decide to indulge too heavily in the subject, lose their enthusiasm and even backslide.
By the way thank you for your help on the "Restrainer" Its been some time since I heard that word being used. I knew that it was listed but still could not find it in any of my Bibles.
Hence I put out a call for help. Ten minutes afterwards my brain got into gear and I realised that the word I should have looked for was either "restrain" or "restraineth".
Thank you for your help.
Just realised it's after midnight.
Lotsa Blessings to both you and your Bride.
Your Brother and Friend,
Ron
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by no means am i angry, its just a mid trib or post trib makes no sense. if the trib is 7 years, how or why would antichrist come 3 and 1 half years into it. he has alot to accomplish in such a short time, even being inspired by satan. and a post trib to come so close to the second coming where all eyes will see Him dont seem scripural. God has a track record of removing the righteous or believers in scripture. i couldnt imagine Him leaving His church go thru such terrible times. its not His character from what i get from scripture. not saying we wont see some trying days ahead but not all thru the tribulation.
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Permalink Reply by forgiven on
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I have been tribulating for a few years now. (: or so it would seem. But 'earthly things' are only earthly things. The whole while that whilst it seems my earthly affairs are somewhat of a mess....I have been growing in leaps-&-bounds in the Kingdom of heaven. All the 'stuff'...of this world....does not matter. All that matters to me; is my Love for Him who loves me first. If any of the things of 'end-times' come sooner...or if they come later....or somewhere in the middle; what is important for me WILL NOT CHANGE! One thing I do know...is that these things WILL come.
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Mark 13:24-29 (King James Version)
24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Even so.....come Lord Jesus, Come. Amen
New American Standard Bible "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Hi both Margaret and "Forgiven",
This is the wonderful thing about the Bible. It gives you just enough information each time you open it, to wet your appetite and make you want more.
Causing us to study deeper. The moment one does this, he/she is hooked and at the same time realise that the truth is in there. Be it Pre-Trib, Mid-trib or Post-Trib.
Just when one is convinced that it is definitely a Pre-Trib rapture, you come across Scripture warnings to Christians who will be going through the Tribulation. Why the warnings about the mark of the Beast, if we are not going to be here? Or are all the Tribulation warnings meant for Jewish folk who become Christians during the Tribulation? The next question is when does Israel become convicted and become Christians? Is it before the tribulation starts or only when they see Christ standing on the Mount, and Israel weeps for their Son whom they persecuted and crucified?
We see then that there are so many "IF's" and "WHY's" and to me this is WONDERFUL! WHY? Well lets imagine the Bible was written in such a way that everyone would understand it right away. If this was true...... The Bible would have been a dead book before it was ever published. But the way the Bible is written, demands that we study it to dig out the truths therein. What gems we find when we do this.
So for me, if today I believe in the Pre-Trib , Post or Mid-Trib, it really does not worry me when I continually change my point of view. I simply quote a verse I learnt years ago and it goes like this
"I have no othe argument
I have no other plea,
But that Jesus died for you
And He also died for me."
Blessings
Ron.
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