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please cant understand this vs???
1 corinthians ch 14:35
"if there is something the women want to know ,they should ask there own husbands at home,it is shameful for a woman to speak at a church meeting"
huh?????????/ and its the new testament tooooooooooooooooooo? confused?
"if there is something the women want to know ,they should ask there own husbands at home,it is shameful for a woman to speak at a church meeting"
huh?????????/ and its the new testament tooooooooooooooooooo? confused?
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Permalink Reply by candy on
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k ...how .about a witness? ... joyce meyer ...she is well ..known ..and her preaching is awesome!!! ..so i think . " a witness" " there's no better witness to the watching world than believers who stand firm under suffering" have you heard her past ?...she is helping millions.of people to follow christ ..! well ... i can see GOD using her ,..so wonderfully ..to preach to millions ..
"..preach the word! be ready in season and out of season. convince ,rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and teaching .2 timothy 4:2 ....."
note this my breathen ,if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back , let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sin. james 5.19-20
" but in your hearts set apart christ as the lord. always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.but do this with gentleness and respect. 1peter 3 ;15..............
matt 5 14-16 " you are the light of the world .a city on a hill cannot be hidden .neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl . instead they put it on its stand ,and it give light to everyone in the house . in the same way , let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven"
including all these vs based on witnessing .....,,also comes in the gifts of the holy spirit !!!!!! in all these places ...its not mensioned ..."only men" ...or "not women" .....or ..if a women ..gets the gift of speaking with wisdom .....what you think she should do ????????.....be silent .. ."i dont think so....
When women begin speaking in church, exerting authority, teaching men, or taking leadership over men in the church, what happens? The men leave and the women and children are left to wonder, "What happened to all the men? Why are they spiritually checked out?"....................wah ?... i find men ..listening to most of joyce's meeting ...and not getting up and running away ...but ...going out with a better perspective of life? and GOD
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"if there is something the women want to know ,they should ask there own husbands at home,it is shameful for a woman to speak at a church meeting"
GOING BACK TO 11CH " SAYS VS 3
BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND this, that the head of every man is christ and the head of the women is the man and the head of christ is god "
VS 11 -12
BUT IN THE LORD the women is important to man ..and the man is important to the women
vs 12 this is true because women came from man .,but also man is born from women .REALLY EVERYTHING COMES FROM GOD .... ..." SO WOMEN OF CHRIST PLEASE DO NOT FEEL BAD ...:) CAUSE ...WE CAME FROM THE ..." SAME WONDERFUL CREATOR:) ".... that men came from ...:) we need not fight for are rights ..and make are selves miserable .cause we have are OWN..duties..lol.. so ..da grp in church ..is ..like ...
for eg ..ya playing a game ...and ya div in groups ...in ya group ..there is .."a mother 'a father 2 sons ..etc ..and the man is the head .." k and paul is preaching .. there is some confusion ...with the mother she missed a line ...and also 1 son is confused ..well ..lets not interupt the section ..but later on ask your grp leader ..? ;;; so what am saying is that ...basically its coz of ..intrupting the section ..paul preaches ,or it also could be related to the video what ..jonathan put up ,, and .am pretty sure its not ..that women cant speak at all ..in church!!!!
when in the very next section the Word of God says, "If you claim to be a prophet or think you are very spiritual, you should recognize that what I am saying is a command from the Lord himself" (I Cor 14:37).
..well sir i think you missed a vs ..right after 35 ..,.that is before 37 ...vs 36 "did GODS teaching come from you ? or are you the only one who have received that teaching " so basically most of them received the teaching .. but every one cant teach ....at the same time .. vs 40 .." bt let everything be done in a way that is right and orderly" ...
..lets not be done yet ...we cant just ...look in to the plain meaning .. for eg .."set a watch .oh lord before my mouth : keep the door of my lips . psalm 141:3 ...well the plain meaning ..the real plain meaning a kid would understand it as ...wha is GOD gonna put a watch in my mouth .' ...ha ha ...but the entire vs has a deeper meaning ....and another thing is that ... we cant just read on GODS judgement and morn ...that we have lost the long run ...but also read on ...forgiveness ...and find ..that "you are really not lost " ..........! so each vs .is deep with major back up verses ..but not just the plain meaning ... .
1 corin ch 13 vs 11 ....when i was a child i talked like a child i thought like a child ,i made plans like a child. when i became a man i stopped those childish ways .... .
After all, "Everyone is doing it." every one ..."joyce meyer ..is a WITNESS,,of GODS ,...PROVERBS 31 ...WOMEN!!!!!!!!!..AMEN
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also ..the relationship between man and women ...is truely beautiful.. they help each other to stand firm in the long run of life .why do you think he created 2...lets not ..put in ...the question of whose the greatest? in this beautiful relationship ..bwt man and woman..".cause ...a sin is the same weather it is caused by a man or a woman . and ..GOD LOVES us equally .! .weather man or woman.so let us man and woman ...cherish ..our roles ,,,(cause he knows what we are best at.) let us do them sincerely and humbly .!..! ..in the name of JESUS CHRIST amen
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Permalink Reply by Carla on
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Hi Candy,
Men and Women definately each have our God designated roles!
Joyce Meyer preaches to help many people.....I agree!
I also acknowledge that there is alot I can't explain, and I'm okay with that!----I don't need to have all the answers. I trust God's word.
I prefer listening to male preachers...and even then, I test all things against what scripture actually teaches!
When I answered I was giving you the biblical perspective.
I think it is important that we look to scripture first. The bible does not condemn women teaching or encouraging... The Holy Spirit works in all of us to unite Christ's body! There is alot we need to learn from eachother, just as you said! You are right when you say God loves us equally....and we must (as you said) cherish our roles.
Looking to my own marriage..I can see strengths in my husband..that I do not have. I also know of my own strengths..which he does not have. We must constantly learn and grow from eachother.
Does scripture change because culture changes? If that is true... isn't our culture in favor of homosexuality and abortion? Where do we draw the line?
The one who is preaching is not given Glory! Glory is reserved for God alone! When we are advocating certain things, we must be careful of our motive. Is our motive for Women's Lib?....or is it for God's Glory?
food for thought.. Carla
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i agree ...with scripture 1st and also culture ..and scripture ..are different ... well ..lets just ..pray about it :) .....:) and its defenatly ..glory for GOD ...cause alot for women ..still think that there role is ...being inferior ...dats why i said.".so let us man and woman ...cherish ..our roles" ,,,(cause he knows what we are best at.)
Looking to my own marriage..I can see strengths in my husband..that I do not have. I also know of my own strengths..which he does not have. We must constantly learn and grow from each other.
thanks for saying this ...it really explains ..alot! ... ya a witness! cool ..
".lets not ..put in ...the question of whose the greatest? in this beautiful relationship ..bwt man and woman.."" i put this up ...cause as you said ..Glory is reserved for God alone! GOD is the greatest ..therefore removing the conflict of whose the greatest between ..man and women..;0) thanks for checking what i wrote ..:)
"I also acknowledge that there is alot I can't explain, and I'm okay with that!----I don't need to have all the answers. I trust God's word"
a vs to back up what you said:)
1 corin ch 13 vs 11 ....when i was a child i talked like a child i thought like a child ,i made plans like a child. when i became a man i stopped those childish ways .... .12 it is the same with us now we see as if we are looking into a dark mirror.but at that time i will know fully as GOD has know me:)
" trust in the lord with all your heart , and lean not on your own understanding,in all your ways acknowledge him ,and he will direct your parts" GOD BLESS:)
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Hi Candy,
Indeed.. Amen and Amen!
God will direct our paths....He does direct our paths!
I think that one reason we study scripture is that we learn of how God uses all people to bring about His plans. God has included men and women powerfully and subtly... What an awesome God we serve! I just Praise God, and I'm thankful that I'm His.. the rest is His story! Amen?
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Hi Candy,
I found this for you on www.gotquestions.org. I know there are many women preachers.. I'm not sure how I feel about that! I know that personally, my husband does not listen to anything I have to say regarding things spiritually. ....I believe that is because of the original sin in the world. I think also, that if we are being honest, men do not 'generally' listen to women. I think that we find with many women pastors, they often (not always) have a strong female following, rather than male. Men do have the authority in the church as Pastors. They will be judged more harshly because of that! They need prayer support due to the enormous responsibility they carry.We all have our roles! Women teach young children, and other women due to our natural inclinations which God has given us. If any women feels the call of 'Pastor' on their lives.. the thing to do is pray about it. When we look at scripture, it doesn't line up! Many women have natural inclinations toward leadership, this can be used for God's Glory in many ways....it does not need to be in the role of Pastor. Anyhow.. here's the 'gotquestions.org response:
Question: "Women pastors / preachers? What does the Bible say about women in ministry?"
Answer: There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors/preachers. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as preachers and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (2 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors, which definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority over men.
There are many “objections” to this view of women in ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, who was the pastor of the church in Ephesus). The city of Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, a false Greek/Roman goddess. Women were the authority in the worship of Artemis. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention Artemis worship as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
A third common objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words in the passage could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words refers to men and women. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not only husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a switch to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.
Yet another frequent objection to this interpretation of women in ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. This objection fails to note some significant factors. First, Deborah was the only female judge among 13 male judges. Huldah was the only female prophet among dozens of male prophets mentioned in the Bible. Miriam's only connection to leadership was being the sister of Moses and Aaron. The two most prominent women in the times of the Kings were Athaliah and Jezebel—hardly examples of godly female leadership. Most significantly, though, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue. The book of 1 Timothy and the other Pastoral Epistles present a new paradigm for the church—the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves the authority structure for the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more “prominent” in ministry than her husband. However, Priscilla is nowhere described as participating in a ministry activity that is in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Priscilla and Aquila brought Apollos into their home and they both discipled him, explaining the Word of God to him more accurately (Acts 18:26).
In Romans 16:1, even if Phoebe is considered a “deaconess” instead of a “servant,” that does not indicate that Phoebe was a teacher in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). Elders/bishops/deacons are described as the “husband of one wife,” “a man whose children believe,” and “men worthy of respect.” Clearly the indication is that these qualifications refer to men. In addition, in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, masculine pronouns are used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons.
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the “reason” perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for” and gives the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived.” God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. This order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This leads some to believe that women should not teach because they are more easily deceived. That concept is debatable, but if women are more easily deceived, why should they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? That is not what the text says. Women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. As a result, God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church.
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching men or having spiritual authority over them. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors/preachers. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.
Recommended Resource: Women and Men In Ministry: A Complementary Perspective by Robert Saucy & Judy TenElshof.
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Hi Candy... this verse comes to mind also:
Genesis 3:16
Then he said to the woman,
"I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy,
and in pain you will give birth.
And you will desire to control your husband,
but he will rule over you."
I don't read this as a curse from God.. rather, it is a prophesy! It is the result of the original sin!
this also comes to mind..
1 Corinthians 12:12-31--One body with many parts. (too long to post here)
verse 22-24
1Cr 12:22 In fact, some of the parts that seem weakest and least important are really the most necessary.
1Cr 12:23 And the parts we regard as less honorable are those we clothe with the greatest care. So we carefully protect from the eyes of others those parts that should not be seen,
God has a tremendous plan for your life!
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, and in all your ways He will make your paths straight.
Blessings, Carla
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