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Does anyone know anything about why a church would not baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?
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Permalink Reply by Rita Cullimore on
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There is a pastor that appears on TV that preaches only Jesus. I don't know how he baptizes.
I can't understand why a Christian church would leave any one the Trinity out of their services, not the teaching or the Baptism. It takes all 3 to be God. Any thing different isn't God...not the God that should be followed.
Blessings,
Rita
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Permalink Reply by kristina on
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There is nothing like the new birth experience, repenting of our sins, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receiving the Holy Ghost. The bible says there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved. Whatsoever you do in word or in deed do all in the name of Jesus Christ. If only every person who is seeking to be like Jesus could understand this truth. Oh that we can become the light to this lost and dying world and they would desire to obey the truth that we present in love. Here are some scriptures to clarify
*the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost those are just "titles" My church baptizes in the Name of Jesus'
Acts 2:38," Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 8:16, "For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 10:48, "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."
Acts 19:5, "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
- Acts 22:16, "And now why do you delay? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’
For example a police officer may command a thief who flees the scene of the crime, “Stop in the name of the Law!” He is not saying this is the formula to use in stopping criminals, but rather, the officer is authorize to stop thieves because the Law gave him authority. Peter was saying the same thing: be baptized because Jesus authorized us to baptize you. Peter was not giving the formula for baptism but his claim of authority.
Do you have to be baptized to be saved? Yes, look at John 3:5 and Mark 16:16. Does it matter how I am baptized? Yes it matters you have to be submerged, completely covered. Does it matter in whose name I am baptized? Yes, there is but one way to be baptized and that is in the name of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:38 gives you in detail how to be saved. 1)Repent, 2)Be Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, 3)and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Still think that any baptism will do? What about the Ephesians Church in Acts 19 they were re-baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. That is how much it matters. Look at Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." If it is not in the name of Jesus it is null and void. I know there are some of you going, what about Matthew 28:19? Okay, lets break it down into 3 areas. 1. The verse before and after that are speaking of only one person Jesus. 2."In the name of...." this is a singular statement, it says name not names. 3. "And of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." the and of is very important. This carries the same name all the way through the verse. For example in the name of the Father, which is the name of the Son, which is the name of the Holy Ghost. That one Name is Jesus Christ.
---------> this will help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9zAlGO3_Rw&feature=related
I hope that this video will bring those that dont understand & bring revelation that you should be baptized in the Name of Jesus'
God bless (:
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Permalink Reply by RoyW on
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I haven't read all the posts but I'm sure this one has been answered. We are commanded to be baptized in Christian baptism. Those who baptize in the name of Jesus only might be United Pentecostal people or similar. They do not believe in the trinity. There are some groups that teach baptism is essential to salvation. That is not the general teaching of the Christian church but only a minor portion. I have to agree with Rita. Salvation is by grace through faith alone. We are commanded to be baptized but anyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus shall be saved. Water baptism is for this world as a testimony that we have become a part of God's family. It is an outward physical act that testifies to that which has happened inside us. It does nothing about cleansing us from sin or the like. Salvation is in Christ and Christ alone.
Roy
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John 3:16 doesn't say a word about being baptized. Did God lie or give us only half the truth? What about the thief on the cross?
To me John 3:5 is referring to natural birth and later accepting Christ as Savior to be born of the Spirit.
In mark 16:16 Condemnation comes from not believing, not from not being baptized.
Baptism is mentioned as though it is the natural order of things, not that it is necessary for salvation. It is demonstration that we have died to sin.
Blessings,
Rita
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Do you have to be baptized to be saved? Yes, look at John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
my response was written to answer this statement by Kristina.
Blessings, 'Chelle...
Rita
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"Chelle,
I suspect that the thief on the cross with our Savior is indeed at this time in Heaven. The Bible said HE led captivity captive. I believe that this means all those who were formerly in Paradise, are now in Heaven. This is only my assumption, as I don't know for sure.
Blessings...
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Permalink Reply by Larry M. on
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Kristina,
Are you saying the old testament people and those baptized by John the baptist are not saved because they are not baptized in the name of Jesus?
Baptism is not in any way a requirement to salvation. It is a first step to obedience and public manifestation that we are a follower of Jesus Christ.
Do you believe in Holy Trinity?
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Its a mystery of God that we just wont understand.. if the old testament people are saved or not. Thats up to God, not for me to say.
i cant convince anyone to believe what I believe, so its up to that person weather or not they accept what the Word of God says. God is the only One who can bring understanding.. not me. So if you have questions about something, Go to God about it,
I believe what the word of God says, they is no mention of the "Trinity" in the Bible. Jesus is God, the Father, and the Holy Ghost.
God bless. (:
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Have you read Hebrews 11 on those old people of faith? Their faith and the faith of many not mentioned are saved. Please note:
Heb 11:13-16
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country — a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. NIV
These people were all saved by faith. We look back at the cross. They looked forward to the cross but the cross saves us all from our sins. When they died they had to go to a place called Abraham's bosom. There they waited on the cross. After Jesus died and paid the price for their redemption, He went personally to this place and carried them to their heavenly home where they now are. This is the same place where we go when we die awaiting the full number of all those that are yet to be saved.We are baptized by the Holy Spirit into this Kingdom. Water baptism is a symbol of that spiritual baptism. All those who have experienced rebirth through His Spirit should be baptized. As far as we know, all converts were baptized. However, the baptism followed conversion.
The thief on the cross is an exception - not the norm. However, that does testify to the fact that deathbed conversions are acceptable. There are many such as my grandfather who called on the name of the Lord Jesus while on their hospitable beds just before crossing over. If they call on Jesus, they will be saved whether or not they can be physically baptized.
Blessings,
Roy
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Permalink Reply by John Rogers on
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Hi Michelle, I hope I'm not butting into a conversation here? If so, I apologize. --- I think the Lord was trying to show Peter that Peter's role was to be a servant to the world. Peter was shocked at the suggestion that a Supreme Being like Jesus would bend down to wash the feet of a common mortal. I believe that Jesus was trying to show Peter that unless he was willing to lower himself to the level of a servant then Peter's human ego would make him unfit for the difficult work the Lord planned for him. Jesus also knew that Peter's human nature would never be able to handle the awesome power that the Holy Spirit would later pour out on him. Unless Peter was able to humble himself as Jesus was teaching him by the Lords own demonstration, then Jesus knew that Peter would become corrupted by the powerful role planned for him as the foundation (the rock) that the Lords church would be built upon. ---- Imagine the selfish human ego's that so many people in our own society have, and then imagine God pouring out the awesome power of the Holy Spirit into those same selfish and prideful people of today. Kind of scary isn't it? ---- I could be wrong, but I think Jesus was training Peter to make sure he was up to the awesome responsibility Jesus was assigning to him. Talk about taking on real responsibility. I already know that I would not have been able to do what Peter did. Who do you know today that could handle being told by the immortal Son of God that he had chosen you to build his church upon and that the powers of hell would not prevail against it? And then go do it...Sorry about it being such a long answer but I agree with you that it is a very profound scripture.
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Hi John,
I think that Jesus was calling Peter's answer the *rock* and not Peter himself. Christ built His church on the fact that He is the Son of God. Therefore, He is the Chief Cornerstone. This has been a 2000 year argument and not one that needs to be argued here. I will concede that the apostles were part of the foundational organization of the church that Christ refers to in Matt 16:18 because of the work that they did in spreading the Good News throughout the known world. No one human deserves to be the *rock* except Christ Himself.
I think that as each one of us comes to Christ, God reveals to us, also, that Christ is indeed the Son of God.
Blessings,
Rita
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Hi Rita,
The topic of was Peter the actual *Rock* being referred to hinges on whether or not you believe that Jesus gave Peter (formally known as Simon) his name because the Lord understood and spoke Greek and that Jesus also had a sense of humor, which I believe he did. The Greek translation of Peter means rock. So Jesus would have presumably been telling Simon that his new name, in Greek, was "a chip off the old block". ---- Not everyone believes this but many people teach on it. I guess we will know one day.
Many Blessings to you!
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Craig L. Blomberg
Baptist and Professor of New Testament
Denver Seminary
Acknowledging Jesus as The Christ illustrates the appropriateness of Simon's nickname “Peter” (Petros = rock). This is not the first time Simon has been called Peter (cf. John 1:42), but it is certainly the most famous. Jesus’ declaration, “You are Peter”, parallels Peter’s confession, “You are the Christ”, as if to say, “Since you can tell me who I am, I will tell you who you are.” The expression “this rock” almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following “the Christ” in v. 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word “rock” (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification.
The New American Commentary: Matthew, vol. 22
(Nashville: Broadman, 1992), pages 251-252
JPK pages 31-32 Hi Rita,
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