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I know there are those who feel it's ok to be homosexual and a Christian as long as the two aren't sleeping together, or that it's ok period as people are born that way.  In light of the arguments of people born that way and it being ok, taken from even a non-Christian perspective but a good argument on moral values....

 

Here is something someone sent me that is good to ponder. 

 

People are well meaning when they believe that homosexuals are born with strong urges to have sex with the same sex person, and that may well be.  But that does not mean that we should celebrate and encourage that defect (so to speak).

 

It has been proven that there are people who are born predisposed to alcoholism - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110404161815.htm - but we do not encourage them to be alcoholics.  To the contrary we help them through counseling, as we do with people who are addicted (having strong urges) to gambling or drugs.  http://www.nhs.uk/news/2010/06June/Pages/Gambling-addiction-and-genetics.aspx

 

Scientists are saying that there is a gene that predisposes people to cheat on their husbands/wives. Are we supposed to encourage them?  No, we want to discourage that behavior because it breaks up homes and hurts children.  Garcia identified the gene variant through the study of the DNA and behaviour of 181 sexually active young adults. "We can have these genes that predispose us to certain kinds of behavior. We can also modify our behavior," said Garcia.  http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=f03fa777-9ae0-407b-ad17-e4407f1031f7

 

Scientist are also looking at predisposition to crime - http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar04/awry.aspx

 

Children who are born with ADD, ADHD, Autism, and a host of other disorders, all are entitled to and encouraged to get counseling and/or supports to help them overcome their deficits. http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar04/awry.aspx. 

 

Moreover, pedophiles who state that they are born with their unnatural urges, must get counseling to overcome their problems;

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071022120203.htm

 

So why would society disrespect these homosexual people by being an enabler to their sexual urges?  When we deny homosexuals the right to have their "disorder" revealed for what it is, so they can get the help they need, we as a nation, are committing a grave injustice towards these people.  Children are becoming more and more confused.  The family unit is in a free fall with no help in sight. Psychologists have always said that when children are young, who they become is greatly influenced by the attitudes of people around them. http://psychology.about.com/od/psychosocialtheories/a/identity-versus-confusion.htm

 

Why should we celebrate these abnormal sex acts that cause many health problems, both psychological and physical?  You will find the health facts for yourself given to you by GLMA, which is there to advance the homosexual life.  - Ten Things Gay Men Should discuss with Their Healthcare Provider (Download .pdf Version)

http://glma.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.viewPage&pageID=690

 

PLEASE stand up for a strong family unit that will sustain our country for many generations to come. The Wall Street Journal printed an article in 1998 wherein the author states that "moral decline" was to be the biggest problem that America will face in the next twenty years. http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/Popenoe/Popenoe-Modeling.html

 

Please consider our children.

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I will highlight just a few of things in your comment:

1) We are not all children of God. The Bible does not teach that at all. We are, or at least Adam and Eve were, created in His image. The fall brought judgment. We are separated from God because of sin and more specifically our sin nature. We do not become children of God until we are transformed by the Spirit of God and brought from spiritually dead to alive in Christ.

2) Your experience, like mine, is important, but it must be checked, weighed and valued according to Scripture. Scripture is the standard and not our experiences. Where our experience does not align with the Word of God we know that the experience is not of God, for He will never contradict or break his Word.

3) You cannot justify, which it appears you are doing, the sinful act of homosexual behavior by saying a man that went to church did bad things too. His actions, and not his church attendance, reveal his heart. Regarding judging, it actually is our responsibility to examine ourselves first, but also to examine the actions of others (1 Corinthians 5:12-13). The man is wrong and God will not ignore that action. If He is a child of God He will experience divine discipline as stated in Hebrews 12 and if he is not he will just remain lost and continue to act religious, though he know not Christ.

 

Lastly, you are mixing two separate issues in your opening sentence. Is the homosexual act sin regardless of how others treat them? The answer is yes. Should they be treated horribly? No. So you have two wrongs and we know that two wrongs do not make a right or justify one because of the other. Included in this there is one more important aspect based Scripture and specifically 1 Cor. 5. Whether they are (or profess to be) a Christian or an unsaved lost soul the way we treat them is different. People struggle with this truth, but Jesus was gentle with the ignorant lost without condoning their sin and was harsh with the religious leaders who should know better.

 

God has a standard and it trumps man's every time.

 

Lord Bless,

LT

The homosexuals have put the focus on this topic...not society.  They do have an agenda, it's called desensitizing or in a sense brainwashing.  They have put an all out homosexual blast into society so much so, that anyone who dares to speak out against it, is considered homophobic, critical, not compassionate nor with empathy for their demise. 

This is simply not true, because one doesn't agree nor approve of their lifestyle because they are a Christian does not mean that they do not care about their soul...that is love, telling the Truth.  Telling a lie or accommodating them while they are enmeshed in their sin is the travesty and perversion of Biblical love.

God wants us to love and glorify Him first and foremost, everything else falls somewhere underneath that.  

But God calls us to judge, with a righteous judgment.  He gives us the Truth's that we need to live a fruitful life in glorifying Him.  What He calls sin, I call sin, He is the authority on this, I'm not and neither is anyone else.  

Yes, we're definitely supposed to love them but not exactly as children of God.  They have not been adopted into sonship.  We hate the sin and not the sinner.  We don't condone the behavior, don't associate with them closely.  We don't shun them or make them feel bad about their sexuality, but we do stand by our convictions that they're doing wrong and we don't compromise on that. 

Good Christians don't bomb abortion clinics either, but they also don't support abortion.  Like many companies now are suing Obama because it is against their belief to pay for insurance that covers abortion and Obamacare is forcing that.  Hobby Lobby has threatened to close their business before they will pay for abortion insurance.  That's taking a stand for scripture and your beliefs.  It doesn't mean you're bombing the clinics or throwing things at those women coming out of abortion clinics or telling them they're sick for what they did.  But you're letting the world know that abortion is wrong wrong wrong and you don't stand by it.  Neither do we stand by homosexuality, adultery, fornication, lying, cheating, etc.  Just because someone does it, doesn't mean we say oh well, I shouldn't judge.  It means we love the sinner but we make our position against the sin clear.

Seek,

Well said.

Lord Bless,

LT

Yes, very well said. We must make judgments everyday about what is good and right.

I agree that we should treat them like anyone else but it should never compromise our beliefs. They are not children of God nor would I suppose they were. My favorite uncle is a gay homosexual. Oxymoron yes. Saved no. I would never be mean to him. If anything, I'm always loving & caring for him but I don't make him think I believe his ways are right. I will not compromise my views on the word of God for the sake of offending him. His soul is more important to me then hurting his feelings. He is walking hand in hand with death & his brother died 4 days ago. He's not far behind but he will never see his brother again if he doesn't change his heart. Those who are homosexual or living in any other sin should break out hearts to the point of wanting to save their souls, not accepting their sins. I do feel people treat them like crud. This should not be so but it is what it is. Christians also are treated like crud in their society. The don't want any part of us because of how they've been treated over the years. Many Christians have dropped the ball on this one. However, not all of us. Accepting their sin is also dropping the ball. The saying of loving them to death applies to this situation. 

As far as your job goes, that's just silly. The Lord knows we have to interact with the world. He just doesn't want us to heart-mingle with them. Here are some more Scriptures to back my point:

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Matthew 12:30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

2 John 1:10-11  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

Eze 33:9 But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, that person shall die in his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.

This next Scripture says a lot. It states that you will have to interact with the world but it also says that if someone calls them a Christian, you are to judge them & kick them out of the assembly if they don't turn from their ways. 1 Cor 5:9-13 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

I know you don't like Scriptures to continue on & on so I'm stopping here. Have a blessed day. 

Yes...my landlord is a wonderful lady and a very hard worker.  She has been quick to respond to all my requests and very accommodating...even coming up the hill (rural road) after 9:00 p.m. to pull me out of a ditch I got stuck in. 

BUT, she is in a relationship with another woman.  They live together and have 2 adopted kids.  A friend from church asked how the place was cause her daughter wanted to spend the night there.  I told her they were wonderful people with a very nice home BUT....I would NOT let my kid stay there since they are in a homosexual relationship...it sends the wrong message.  I also have invited her to church a few times.  Just dropped an invite to her last week to see me in the choir. 

There are many alcoholics who try to abstain just to turn right back to it later in life when stresses overtake them or something.  I have a "disorder"....a needle phobia.  Am I cured of it?  Nope.  Do I deal with it?  After much therapy and learning some relaxation techniques, I can get through it, but I still have the phobia.  Does that mean it's not a disorder since it doesn't go away?  The sin is when I act on the fear and stop getting shots.  And that's what I did for 5 years before I finally got therapy over it.  The sin of homosexuality is acting on it, even if the thought of it remains. 

When one is truly born again his spirit will bear witness to all other born again people. If it doesn"t then there's confusion and God is not the author of confusion. If there's a questionable issue, then some serious prayer should clear it up. If the homosexual is seeking help , they should not be refused, but if they seek a way to be acceptable to God while wanting to willfully live that lifestyle , it would actually be a mockery unto God. At that point, all one can do is pray that God will open their hearts to receive the truth. God bless. !

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