I know there are those who feel it's ok to be homosexual and a Christian as long as the two aren't sleeping together, or that it's ok period as people are born that way. In light of the arguments of people born that way and it being ok, taken from even a non-Christian perspective but a good argument on moral values....
Here is something someone sent me that is good to ponder.
People are well meaning when they believe that homosexuals are born with strong urges to have sex with the same sex person, and that may well be. But that does not mean that we should celebrate and encourage that defect (so to speak).
It has been proven that there are people who are born predisposed to alcoholism - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110404161815.htm - but we do not encourage them to be alcoholics. To the contrary we help them through counseling, as we do with people who are addicted (having strong urges) to gambling or drugs. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2010/06June/Pages/Gambling-addiction-and-genetics.aspx
Scientists are saying that there is a gene that predisposes people to cheat on their husbands/wives. Are we supposed to encourage them? No, we want to discourage that behavior because it breaks up homes and hurts children. Garcia identified the gene variant through the study of the DNA and behaviour of 181 sexually active young adults. "We can have these genes that predispose us to certain kinds of behavior. We can also modify our behavior," said Garcia. http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=f03fa777-9ae0-407b-ad17-e4407f1031f7
Scientist are also looking at predisposition to crime - http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar04/awry.aspx
Children who are born with ADD, ADHD, Autism, and a host of other disorders, all are entitled to and encouraged to get counseling and/or supports to help them overcome their deficits. http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar04/awry.aspx.
Moreover, pedophiles who state that they are born with their unnatural urges, must get counseling to overcome their problems;
So why would society disrespect these homosexual people by being an enabler to their sexual urges? When we deny homosexuals the right to have their "disorder" revealed for what it is, so they can get the help they need, we as a nation, are committing a grave injustice towards these people. Children are becoming more and more confused. The family unit is in a free fall with no help in sight. Psychologists have always said that when children are young, who they become is greatly influenced by the attitudes of people around them. http://psychology.about.com/od/psychosocialtheories/a/identity-versus-confusion.htm
Why should we celebrate these abnormal sex acts that cause many health problems, both psychological and physical? You will find the health facts for yourself given to you by GLMA, which is there to advance the homosexual life. - Ten Things Gay Men Should discuss with Their Healthcare Provider (Download .pdf Version)
PLEASE stand up for a strong family unit that will sustain our country for many generations to come. The Wall Street Journal printed an article in 1998 wherein the author states that "moral decline" was to be the biggest problem that America will face in the next twenty years. http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/Popenoe/Popenoe-Modeling.html
Please consider our children.
Homosexuality and all other sins in the world are primarily a SIN issue.
It doesn't matter how the sin started, how one is expose to it, we are all born sinners, what matters is how we respond once we are confronted about that sin, by God and those speaking God's word or even the lost that know that such a sin is un-natural.
Most here realize it's a sin, but some still try to justify the love your neighbor scripture by using the live and let live style. They won't speak against it because they feel we're not then loving our neighbor (the homosexual).
I liked this article because it shows how we're NOT loving our neighbor (the homosexual) because we're not treating them the same way we treat others by "enabling their disorder". ;-)
Hate the sin, love the sinner. There isn't any scientific proof to support the statement that a person is born w/genes predisposing them to have homosexual urges. That said, it all goes back to choices. It is a perverted lifestyle that a person chooses to live. The same as pedophiles, addictions to pornography, gluttony etc. We all have a free will. Society is always making excuses and blaming something/someone else for the choice to live in sin.
I don't believe they're born that way either, except that we're ALL born into sin in the flesh. But when I saw this article it's like WOW! I never looked at it this way. I mean, yeah...the world wants to say they're born this way. But we HELP the ones born as pedophiles and addicted to porn, etc. We realize that born that way or not, these are not healthy and they are disorders that need treatment. But the world doesn't call homosexuality a disorder anymore. Instead they say it's a lifestyle choice and doesn't hurt anyone and there's nothing wrong with it. Well getting drunk in your own home doesn't hurt anyone either. It just destroys your liver, fuels the alcohol industry, causes you problems on your job affecting those you work with and for, etc. Everything has a trickle down effect. And it seems society wants to pick and choose what they see as harmful and what's not. Drinking is bad for you, so we come up with AA. Smoking is bad, and we develop the patch. Pornography may lead one to be a pedophile, and both are condemned and punishable by law. But homosexuality is ok?
I just like how this article put it. It shows we're actually doing a disservice to the homosexuals by not treating them the same as we do anyone else with what we term a disorder. We're disrespecting them.
It boils down to what a person wants to read and hear - The world's publications (books, articles, newspapers, news media).........or God's publication (the Bible).
I really like what Karen T. says: Society is always making excuses and blaming something/someone else for the choice to live in sin.
It all started back in the Garden of Eden with Adam, when he would have said something like, " Hey God, You know that woman..... that woman You gave me.........while I was sleeping......she forced me to partake of the forbidden fruit".
Then Eve would have said, "The devil made me do it."
The whole time, the serpent is laughing his head off ( while he was still standing upright).
Meanwhile, back in God's publication (the Bible), Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."
See also I Tim 1:10, I Corinthians 6:9, Leviticus 18:22, and in Leviticus 20:13, it says to kill 'em! And Romans 1:27 is thought by many to refer to the disease of Aids.
So yes, the world's (Satan's) push is for everyone to love their neighbor(no matter what), same sex marriage, live and let live, etc. etc. as some churches have............
If any self-professing homosexuals (not "gay") ever came to our church, I would welcome them, if they sat like everyone else. I would never perform a marriage for them......or welcome them as new members, unless there was a public repentance, and obvious reversal of their way of life entering into sanctification as a Christian.
A man of the world recently asked me what I thought of the "gay movement". I looked at him, and answered, " I just have two words to say, Sodom and Gomorrah."
Grace and Peace.
Someone recently told me that we should put all homosexuals on an island alone and they will destroy themselves because they can't procreate. :-o
My landlords are two homosexual women who have adopted a boy and a girl they have raised, who are now teenagers. What are those two "learning" that they were not born as? We're ALL born to sin, homosexuality being one. But that doesn't mean we accept that as being ok because we feel we're born to it. Yet many use that exact reasoning. Yet they don't use it when it comes to drunkenness, adultery, etc. I wonder how the world has chosen which parts of scripture to believe in and which parts to throw to the dogs?
I feel that if we take it by scripture, that it's not ok, that we stop condoning it and say love them anyway. Yes, we love the person, but we hate the sin, and when they call us intolerant, we still tell them its a sin, intolerant or not.
Someone else recently told me that when someone tells me I'm being intolerant for saying homosexuality is a sin, that that person is being intolerant of me and my views. LOL
Seek Ye First
"Someone else recently told me that when someone tells me I'm being intolerant for saying homosexuality is a sin, that person is being intolerant of me and my views".
A very good point. I am also of the opinion that they are being judgemental towards God in that they seem to think that simply because they believe something( in this case homosexuality) in alright that God must change His views and opinions and I would advise them to not hold their breath waiting for that to happen.
In a way though you are being intolerant. You are being intolerant of sin and I will wholeheartedly join you in your intolerance of that. More importantly you are in good company (specifically the Lord) when you exhibit intolerance in this way.
Well said!Every time when something is out of our comfort zone we seem to want to rewrite the Bible.
Lets call a spade a spade.Homosexuality is a SIN period.it is not natural and any other view is contradicting God.
Seek ye first, I believe, Homosexuality is becoming accepted by society because it doesn't harm anyone. Just two consenting adults who want to live as they feel is right for them. Society doesn't accept drunkenness because it can kill innocent people and causes more crime and violence that any other drug. . Adultery seems to be accepted, if you look at all the politicians and so on. So many are up in arms over homosexuality because they believe it is a sin and yet it doesn't harm anyone. There is much sin that harms others and it is not addressed. I believe people are intolerant of this view, because it comes across as cold, cruel and inhumane. Homosexuals get treated as if they are disgusting, vile humans and I am sure that hurts. We are all people with feelings and we don't know what that person has been through.Why can't we have more compassion for one another. I am not perfect, but I am trying. I hope I didn't come across offensive to you.
This is what Jesus thought of the Pharisees and the Sadducees, I wonder what He would have called the Homosexuals if He were walking here on earth today, “physically”??
Matthew 3:7 (KJV)
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 12:34 (KJV)
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Luke 3:7 (KJV)
Mysty, I believe we all have a choice, we are serving a God that is well able to deliver anyone from anything they find themselves in bondage with. You say they are not hurting anyone?? With the courts showing leniency, and allowing them to adopt children, wouldn’t you say that most likely those children being exposed to such activity, will cause them to follow that lifestyle, and this being an abomination to God, can you say that they are not hurting anyone? They are sending themselves and those children straight to hell. Even society by accepting them “the life-style” would be an abomination to God. By doing so: I feel we would be just as guilty as they. We don’t hate the persons, just the acts, and I pray that God, “some way” would open the eyes of their understanding to the knowledge of Him, and they would turn from their wicked ways, and become acceptable to society, especially Christians.
LOL I should've read this before I responded cause we said about the same thing. Uh oh....we're agreeing on something? Katy bar the door!
Society does not set the standard, God does. He has given us the Word of God to go by. By what standard do you believe that no harm is being done and does that standard have God's Word and eternity in view?