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Permalink Reply by LT on July 24, 2008 at 6:29pm

I have some questions and comments regarding your post. I do wish to address several things and asked some questions regarding the post.

You asked "We are not serving a titular God but a functional God. Which one do you serve?" I serve a God Who is both. He is actively involved continuously in His creation and He is a God of title as the Lord of lords, King of kings, the Great I Am.

Please elaborate on this I am the Lord that giveth thee power to make wealth, you see His blessings that maketh rich and added no sorrow.
Please define what you mean by wealth and rich. If you are referring to financial wealth, how do you reconcile that with those who live in a third world country with little to nothing, except their daily needs being met. They love Jesus, but lack worldly wealth.

Is this statement not backwards, "Outside of POWER there is no God."Outside of God there is no power. Power does not prove God, God demonstrates His power, but His existence requires no evidence or demonstation for Him to still be God.

You stated, "Through the greatness of your POWER, shall your enemies submit themselves to you.There is no submision outside of power. If not for His POWER, His enemies would have overthroned Him." If God had no power there would be no creaton and therefore no enemies. If no enemies, then there would be no one to overrun Him. God Is. Does one worship Him because of His power or because He is Who He is? The fact that He is the Creator is sufficient to know that He has control over His creation.

You said, "Likewise, Christianity that lacks power will be messed up in wants and lack. Elija said to the people of Israel, for how long will you stand between two opinions, if God is God serve Him. The bible said they went into contest with the prophets of the baal's and Elijah's God won. Thats a God of POWER." It is people who do not focus upon God and those who fail to seek Him that are messed up doctrinally and are left in want spiritually. Do we seek the gift or the Giver?

You said, "We need to know the ways of God to manifest His acts." Do we manifest His acts, or do we seek to have Him manifest Himself in us and thus live through us?

You said, "We are the called ones, We are the chosen ones. We are called to take charge and have dominion over our domain. All these harassment from the enemy camp should stop. It is time for us to exercise our powers and set the enemy camps on fire." How do you align this with Peter's teaching in 1 Peter 4:12-19

You said, "John 1:12, as many as received Him, to them He gave POWER to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name. To our calling there is a giving of power. He called us and gave us power to trample on the enemies and nothing shall by any means hurt us." If one accepts that "Exousia" means power in John 1:12 and not simply the right or authority, one must look at what the power is in regard to and that it is in regards to becoming a son of God. The scope in this verse is quite limited by its context as revealed in verse 13. When you speak of trampling enemies, to whom are you referring to as enemies? When you say nothing can hurt us, how does one reconcile that for people such as Jim Elliot, or even the apostles, to the exception of John, who were executed by their captures?

You said, "This is a promise from God and it is time for us to begin to manifest this power and liberate the world from the operations of the enemy. Do we manifest His power or does He work through a surrendered individual? Are we the liberators of this world, or is that the job of Jesus when He returns on the white Horse (Rev. 19). The operation of the enemy, who is the prince of this world and only limited now by the Holy Spirit, until such time as He is taken out of the way in the end times. We will shine light into the darkness and be used to snatch many from the fire, but even that is through the power of His Spirit working through us.

There is no question that the church is to operate in power. That power is the power of God flowing through His church in the power and presence of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8). The path to a power filled life is total surrender to Jesus.

Lord Bless,
LT

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Permalink Reply by chuks on July 25, 2008 at 11:50am

Lt.I read your response to the above article GOD OF POWER, thanks. Ordinarily i would have appreciated your response, but only that i am beginning to see you sound abstract or that you lack an indept view of this article.

IT Is simple to understand this simple phrase " OUTSIDE OF POWER THERE IS NO GOD ". What this phrase simply means is that what makes God, God is His Power. Like you said, it is the demonstration of that power that His enemies submit. Plz note that the grave could not hold Jesus down because of His power. Read the account of His betrayal, death and resurrection.

Likewise note that what makes christianity , christianity is POWER. If it lacks power it will not function effectively. Power was what sustained the ministries of the Apostels. Plz read the book of Acts.

When i said He is a God of function, it is so simple to understand He is a God that answers prayers when you call upon Him. PS 50:15, Call upon me in the day of trouble; i will deliver you, and you shall glorify me. So if you find yourself in trouble , call upon him.

Note that i am from the third word country. Third word is not synonimous with lack, even in advanced countries there are people who suufer more hardships than those over there. God is not a God of tribe and that He blesses those that call upon Him irrespective of your tribe. And that your daily need is being met ia an indication that God has made you wealthy.

God ways are higher than our ways. If you follow your way rather than Gods way, you will not manifest as a christian. Moses knew the ways of God and did great works.

I have read 1st peter 4:12-19. It pleases me to understand that no matter what trial i go through, when His glory is revealed, i will be glad with exceeding joy. That sounds victorious.Plz read 1st john 5:4-5.

Suffice to stop here. Thanks and remain blessed.

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Permalink Reply by LT on July 25, 2008 at 1:33pm

Lt.I read your response to the above article GOD OF POWER, thanks. Ordinarily i would have appreciated your response, but only that i am beginning to see you sound abstract or that you lack an indept view of this article.

• It is interesting to me that when a person is questioned regarding what they believe they turn around and attack the one who questioned them. You proclaim that I sound abstract and lack in depth knowledge without knowing me or knowing what I may or may not know, and we are not yet finished with this article. If you viewed my questions as abstract, when I wished to give opportunity for you to explain your position, then I will be extremely plain from this point on.

IT Is simple to understand this simple phrase " OUTSIDE OF POWER THERE IS NO GOD ". What this phrase simply means is that what makes God, God is His Power. Like you said, it is the demonstration of that power that His enemies submit. Plz note that the grave could not hold Jesus down because of His power. Read the account of His betrayal, death and resurrection.

• Power is not what makes God, God. God is God who proclaims that He is the “Great I Am.” You can repackage your statement over and over and still end up with it backwards. One must start with God and power exists because of God. God does not exist because of power.
• You state that I said “Like you said, it is the demonstration of that power that His enemies submit.” I did not say that in my response.

Likewise note that what makes christianity , christianity is POWER. If it lacks power it will not function effectively. Power was what sustained the ministries of the Apostels. Plz read the book of Acts.

• As I read the book of Acts I see that it is the presence and power of the Holy Spirit that filled men and enabled them to serve the King of kings. Christianity is Christianity because our relationship with the Son of God, Jesus. Does one serve “power” or the living Savior?

When i said He is a God of function, it is so simple to understand He is a God that answers prayers when you call upon Him. PS 50:15, Call upon me in the day of trouble; i will deliver you, and you shall glorify me. So if you find yourself in trouble , call upon him.

• God is more than a God that merely answers prayer. Your post originally stated that He was not a God of titles, but of function. He is both, and His function is far beyond just prayer.

Note that i am from the third word country. Third word is not synonimous with lack, even in advanced countries there are people who suufer more hardships than those over there. God is not a God of tribe and that He blesses those that call upon Him irrespective of your tribe. And that your daily need is being met ia an indication that God has made you wealthy.

• Third world and lack are not synonymous, but it cannot be denied that many in third world countries suffer greatly from a lack of supplies and often at the hands of the leaders. If you mean that wealth is having our daily needs met, I agree with that, but only ask why didn’t you say that to begin with, instead of using the term wealth which is synonymous with riches in most people’s minds.

God ways are higher than our ways. If you follow your way rather than Gods way, you will not manifest as a christian. Moses knew the ways of God and did great works.

• Moses submitted to God and He did great works through him. A Christian does not manifest God, God manifests Himself in us. It is God Who works in and through us for His glory. There is no question that God’s ways are higher than ours.

I have read 1st peter 4:12-19. It pleases me to understand that no matter what trial i go through, when His glory is revealed, i will be glad with exceeding joy. That sounds victorious.Plz read 1st john 5:4-5.

• You are contradicting yourself. You said in the original post “All these harassment from the enemy camp should stop. It is time for us to exercise our powers and set the enemy camps on fire." And now you only mean that we can go through a trial and be victorious. Which is it? Is the enemy going to be forced to stop or are we only going to go through it victorious?

Suffice to stop here. Thanks and remain blessed.

• It does not suffice to stop here. Most of my questions regarding your article have not been addressed and you response above does not satisfy either.

I gave you an opportunity to “enlighten” me since you believe I lack in depth understanding regarding the power of God. Instead of seeking to engage and guide me, you cast me off. Support your positions with Scripture and I will be enlightened.

Now, I know some are going “LT, why does this bother you so much?” It is simple. This article follows the same path that many are teaching today that is in error. Many teach that you must have “Faith in Faith” rather than teaching faith in Christ. This article puts the emphasis on the power instead of on the originator of the Power, God Himself. Too often today we see an attempt, intended or not, to divert our attention from the Lord to things or side issues.

Respectfully,
LT

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