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God hates sin and were to confess sin but what if a person dies a quick death and they have no time to repent of a intentional sin they kelp comitting will they still go to heaven just something i wanted to no
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Permalink Reply by ribbon on
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My understanding is if a person 'continues to sin" they are not born of God. If someone dies and they aren't born again... I think the bible says they wont go to heaven.
But, many will disagree with my beliefs. Many say that if a Christian sins that that doesn't mean they wont go to heaven and that they aren't saved by works.
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Permalink Reply by Ananda Welikala on
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The Apostle Paul said that he considers himself to be wretched man because the things he should be doing to obey God...he is not able to do ...but the things he should NOT be doing which angers God, that he does BECAUSE of the sin that resides in his body of FLESH. (Rom. ch. 7). V. 14 tells us that Paul was carnal and therefore "sold" under sin. V.17 says that Paul has sin IN him. Was Paul then DISQUALIFIED to get into heaven?
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Permalink Reply by Mary O on
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The first time I read Romans 8, I cried. How did I ever deserve this kind of love?
Love,
Mary
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Suppose I included Rom. 8:1 will that help me to leave Rom. 7:17 out?
Let me add 2 Cor. 12:
5. "...yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Hahaha ... not leave out, but rather progress on to the new nature.
You say that no sin can enter heaven, and this includes sinners of which you believe includes the children of God, for you thinl after new birth we are all still sinners. Let me ask you a question ... If all are sinners, regardless of lost or child of God, then how did Paul (or the man he spoke of as third person, presumed to be Paul) and the Apostle John enter heaven before they died? You proclaim because of Romans 7 Paul was still a sinner, yet he was translated to heaven and back. Let me see how you try to walk your way around this so that it fits your narrative instead of God's Word.
BTW, I hope that you are not implying that Paul's infirmities in 2 Cor. 12 are supposed to represent his sins instead of life in the fallen flesh.
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No human being has gone to heaven ALIVE IN THE BODY OF FLESH and remained there EXCEPT Enoch and Elijah. Anybody else who went into heaven went up there in SPIRIT only. Paul was not sure about his state (physical or spiritual) when he went up to return back to earth again. Enoch and Elijah will have to come back to die a human death if both are up there in human form, because FLESH and BLOOD are not fit to life in heaven. According to Rom 7 human flesh is the CARRIER of sin. Sin has no place up in heaven in the presence of INFINITELY HOLY Almighty God . ( I believe Paul went to heaven in SPIRIT when he was stoned to death. The body was dumped into the garbage dump to be eaten by vultures. But we know what happened, God gave him his life back and next day he went and preached as if nothing had happened to his body. And that was of course a MIRACLE indeed!). I believe that the TWO WITNESSES in Rev. 11:3 will be Enoch and Elijah. Those two have to get killed so that they can enter into the presence of Almighty God sans thier flesh-bodies of sin.
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I agree with all that you just said (except maybe where Enoch and Elijah are at currently, simply not sure) ... but we must differentiate something because we continue to discuss your view that you are still a sinner (state of being). If Paul and John went to heaven (whether in spirit only or in spirit and flesh), and no sinner can enter heaven, then God does not view Paul or John as sinners before their death in the flesh and after their transformation into a child of God.
Based on your own words that sinners cannot enter heaven John and Paul could not be viewed as sinners or they could not have entered into heaven, even in the spirit only.
Note that all human beings die and then they face judgments (John 5:29). Those who are viewed as sinners will still shed this earthly flesh, be given a new body that is fitted for eternity in the Lake of Fire. Yet, before they get to the Lake of Fire they will stand before the Lord and be judged.
We could add that we live in the fallen, corrupted, sinful flesh. This is not who I am. I am the transformed spirit that resides within and is united with Christ through the Holy Spirit. A day is coming when this flesh will perish, but I will not perish ... only the unchanged flesh will perish and I will be given a new body fitted for heaven. Thus, I am not defined by my flesh, but rather am the spirit within that is commanded to crucify that flesh daily.
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Paul and John never entered into heaven in thier SINFUL-flesh bodies. (Flesh and Blood not allowed in heaven). Paul said: In the body or out of the body...I do not know...! Since it could not have been an in-the-body experience...it had to be an out-of-body experience. And John was taken up only in his spirit. (He sais: I was in the spirit).
Since Paul ADMITTED publicly that he was a sinner with no ability to do the right things. (Rom. 7:14--20). There's no way we could skirt-around the sin principle in the human body as in v. 20.
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You simply don't get it. No one is skirting around Romans 7. We are moving onward into what is revealed as truth in Romans 8 and is substantiated throughout Scripture ... children of God are called many things, but never sinners, for no sinner will enter heaven ....
In Romans 7:24 he does not call himself a sinner, but acknowledges the battle between the flesh and spirit. That is far different than saying I am (state of being) a sinner.
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Permalink Reply by Amanda on
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Another way of differentiating between sinner and Saint is by asking whether one is a child of the light or of darkness -- darkness meaning being in a state of sin.
For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:5
“For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.”
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11 ESV
http://bible.com/59/1th.5.5-11.esv
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