What Must One Believe To Be Saved? - All About GOD2024-03-28T23:32:16Zhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/what-must-one-believe-to-be-saved?commentId=1383940%3AComment%3A1386158&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt is very popular today to t…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-14:1383940:Comment:13877232012-12-14T22:13:48.724ZColbyhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/ColbyChase
<div style="margin-left: 25px; margin-right: 100px; line-height: 200%; color: navy;"><p><span>It is very popular today to tell someone what <a href="http://bible.cc/romans/10-9.htm" target="_blank">Romans 10:9</a> states in order to simplify the message of salvation, but any study of the word will tell us that there are multiple things happening at the time of salvation and multiple things are require for legitimate salvation to occur in the human heart.…</span></p>
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<div style="margin-left: 25px; margin-right: 100px; line-height: 200%; color: navy;"><p><span>It is very popular today to tell someone what <a href="http://bible.cc/romans/10-9.htm" target="_blank">Romans 10:9</a> states in order to simplify the message of salvation, but any study of the word will tell us that there are multiple things happening at the time of salvation and multiple things are require for legitimate salvation to occur in the human heart.</span></p>
<div style="margin-left: -25px; margin-right: -75px; line-height: 150%; color: black;"><p><span>David--Thanks for your insightful comment. Salvation can't be reduced to a bumper sticker slogan.</span></p>
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</div> You got it sis Char. :)tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-12:1383940:Comment:13863632012-12-12T13:14:07.553ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
<p>You got it sis Char. :)</p>
<p>You got it sis Char. :)</p> Colby,
Anyone can give lip…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13864412012-12-11T23:22:02.780ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
<p>Colby,</p>
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<p>Anyone can give lip service and confess Jesus as Lord, so we know that confessing is more than simple speech declarations, but a confession that is accompanied with other factors that are emphasis in scripture for salvation, for the born again experience to happen.</p>
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<p>Without the weight of our sin crushing our heart with conviction for true repentance and confession to occur there is no legitimate born again experience. Now, someone may simply think it or…</p>
<p>Colby,</p>
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<p>Anyone can give lip service and confess Jesus as Lord, so we know that confessing is more than simple speech declarations, but a confession that is accompanied with other factors that are emphasis in scripture for salvation, for the born again experience to happen.</p>
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<p>Without the weight of our sin crushing our heart with conviction for true repentance and confession to occur there is no legitimate born again experience. Now, someone may simply think it or verbally say, yes Lord I believe in you and be born again, while internally the rest of the required actions are happening, so the manner in which people come to Christ may differ, while the internal work of God in the human heart is the same. </p>
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<p>It is very popular today to tell someone what Romans 10:9 states in order to simplify the message of salvation, but any study of the word will tell us that there are multiple things happening at the time of salvation and multiple things are require for legitimate salvation to occur in the human heart.</p>
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<p>For starters salvation is not according to human will, for no one can come to Christ except the Father brings them. Second believing much more than believes in an intellectual, superficial way, though it is inclusive of those things.</p>
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<p>Saving faith, which is a gift of God to the spiritual dead person carries with it actions and an immediate change and awakening.</p>
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<p><strong>Is it true that</strong> if you shall <strong>confess</strong> with your mouth the Lord <strong>Jesus</strong>, and shall <strong>believe</strong> in your heart <strong>that</strong> God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved? Of course it is, but that confession and believe carry with them much more than surface confessions.</p>
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<p>Confess Jesus is Lord, we tell people, but what Jesus, which Jesus? Who did what? Too often with our desire to simplified matters we teach a way to salvation that has no hell, no repentance, which makes for an inadequate Gospel. By my own experience I know God can renew a creature without any of those truths being understood by the recipient of grace, but again, the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart is evident and the same.</p>
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<p>This video does not directly talk about the subject of your discussion, but it does indirectly:</p>
<p><iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y5ZRb2BByUg?rel=0&wmode=opaque" frameborder="0"></iframe>
</p> Confess Jesus is Lord.
Belie…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13862482012-12-11T21:55:48.951ZJBhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JoeBoyce
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<li>Confess Jesus is Lord.</li>
<li>Believe in Jesus' resurrection.</li>
<li>God will do the rest.</li>
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<p>Colby, wouldn’t it be a little more subjective to <b><u>confess</u></b> Jesus <b><u>as</u></b> Lord?</p>
<p>JB</p>
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<li>Confess Jesus is Lord.</li>
<li>Believe in Jesus' resurrection.</li>
<li>God will do the rest.</li>
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<p>Colby, wouldn’t it be a little more subjective to <b><u>confess</u></b> Jesus <b><u>as</u></b> Lord?</p>
<p>JB</p> Confess Jesus is Lord.
Belie…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13864152012-12-11T20:50:49.745ZColbyhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/ColbyChase
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<li>Confess Jesus is Lord.</li>
<li>Believe in Jesus' resurrection.</li>
<li>God will do the rest.</li>
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<li>Confess Jesus is Lord.</li>
<li>Believe in Jesus' resurrection.</li>
<li>God will do the rest.</li>
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</div> 1 I exhorta therefore, that,…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13861742012-12-11T20:48:55.676ZRita Cullimorehttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/dannrita
<p><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">1</span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">I exhort</span><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"><a href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title="">a</a></span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,</span> <i><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">and</span></i> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">giving of thanks, be made for all men;…</span></p>
<p><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">1</span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">I exhort</span><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"><a href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title="">a</a></span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,</span> <i><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">and</span></i> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">giving of thanks, be made for all men;</span> <sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">2</span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">For kings, and</span> <i><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">for</span></i> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">all that are in authority</span><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"><a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" title="">b</a></span></sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.</span> <sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">3</span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">For this</span> <i><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">is</span></i> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">4</span></sup> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Who will have all men to be</span> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">saved</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">, and to come unto the</span> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">knowledge of the truth</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">.</span></strong></span> <a href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3" title=""></a></p>
<div><div id="ftn1"><div><a href="#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1" title=""><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">a</span></sup></a> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">exhort: or, desire</span></div>
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<div id="ftn2"><div><a href="#_ftnref2" name="_ftn2" title=""><sup><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">b</span></sup></a> <span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">authority: or, eminent place</span></div>
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<div id="ftn3"><div><a href="#_ftnref3" name="_ftn3" title=""></a> <span id="__spanCitationData"><i>The Holy Bible : King James Version</i>. electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version. Bellingham WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995, S. 1 Ti 2:1-4</span></div>
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<div><span>Blessings.....</span></div>
<div><span>Rita</span></div>
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</div> "I see through scripture that…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13863112012-12-11T20:32:34.531ZColbyhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/ColbyChase
<div style="color: navy; line-height: 150%; margin-left: 25px; margin-right: 125px;"><span>"I see through scripture that God is the determining factor for man's salvation. ... How much does one have to believe for saving faith to happen or what does each person have to believe to be saved? I do not know. ... <br></br>It was the work of God in me and once that happened I chose Christ."…</span></div>
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<div style="color: navy; line-height: 150%; margin-left: 25px; margin-right: 125px;"><span>"I see through scripture that God is the determining factor for man's salvation. ... How much does one have to believe for saving faith to happen or what does each person have to believe to be saved? I do not know. ... <br/>It was the work of God in me and once that happened I chose Christ."</span></div>
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<p><span>Your response is on-topic, especially since it speaks to your personal experience with having come to a saving faith, as you understand it from a Biblical perspective, and it's much appreciated as are the contributions of others to this discussion.</span></p>
<p><span>Colby</span></p>
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</div> Char-- Yes! Amen.tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13861582012-12-11T18:56:51.308ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
<p>Char-- Yes! Amen.</p>
<p>Char-- Yes! Amen.</p> Colby,
As someone who sees…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13858982012-12-11T14:51:45.210ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
<p>Colby,</p>
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<p>As someone who sees scripture a bit different than most who profess faith in Christ today in matters of salvation, I see through scripture that God is the determining factor for man's salvation.</p>
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<p>Saving faith is a gift to those who God elects for salvation, for salvation is of the Lord. However, in God’s plan there is room for men's choice. We truly choose God at the moment of salvation, but that choice is after the Holy Spirit, who comes and goes as He…</p>
<p>Colby,</p>
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<p>As someone who sees scripture a bit different than most who profess faith in Christ today in matters of salvation, I see through scripture that God is the determining factor for man's salvation.</p>
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<p>Saving faith is a gift to those who God elects for salvation, for salvation is of the Lord. However, in God’s plan there is room for men's choice. We truly choose God at the moment of salvation, but that choice is after the Holy Spirit, who comes and goes as He pleases in matters of salvation, has regenerated the heart of the recipient of God's saving grace.</p>
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<p>How much does one have to believe for saving faith to happen or what does each person have to believe to be saved? I do not know.</p>
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<p> I came to Christ in a cell, having no previous religious back ground or any substantial knowledge of Christ, yet He saved me. He dropped me to my knees with conviction, without human help and I had no choice at that moment, no matter how much I turned, tossed in my bunk and fought against the feelings/conviction/emotions boiling inside of me. I had no choice at that moment but to cry out, I am sorry, I am sorry for all I done, I am tire, so tire, change me, if you are real and you are there, change me. I did that as I sobbed like a little child. It was the work of God in me and once that work had happened I chose Christ. I do not make doctrine out of personal experience for that is a very dangerous thing, but that is what I see in scripture. God saves who He wills, for it is according to his good pleasure and perfect plan. Just like the thief on the cross. Men are called to repent and believe.</p>
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<p>I was hesitant about sharing, because it is obvious that I aligned with Reformed theology, which to me is biblical theology in matters of salvation, but I do not want to hurt this great discussion by being the cause to deviate from the topic. :)</p>
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<p>Blessings family</p> AMEN!!tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2012-12-11:1383940:Comment:13860702012-12-11T14:36:45.127ZJBhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JoeBoyce
<p>AMEN!!</p>
<p>AMEN!!</p>