What Does "Free" Salvation Really Mean To You? Did You Give Anything In Return? - All About GOD2024-03-29T08:44:20Zhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/what-does-free-salvation?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi chris,
Thank you for res…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-31:1383940:Comment:10771352011-07-31T01:02:00.694ZJohn Rogershttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JohnRogers
<p>Hi chris,</p>
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<p>Thank you for responding. I long for a day when we can all be together with our friend and master, Christ Jesus.</p>
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<p>Many blessings in Christ.</p>
<p>Hi chris,</p>
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<p>Thank you for responding. I long for a day when we can all be together with our friend and master, Christ Jesus.</p>
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<p>Many blessings in Christ.</p> Hi Raul,
If we are to take…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-30:1383940:Comment:10765432011-07-30T03:11:56.205ZJohn Rogershttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JohnRogers
<p>Hi Raul,</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Gill Sans MT','sans-serif'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">If we are to take God at his word then we know that the Holy Spirit will give us the words to say when the time comes. If the Holy Spirit is giving us the words to say, then we know that the Holy Spirit will be with us. So I believe we will have peace in our decision since the words we speak will not be our own. This is an area that surpasses human understanding. You can be sure that…</span></p>
<p>Hi Raul,</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Gill Sans MT','sans-serif'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">If we are to take God at his word then we know that the Holy Spirit will give us the words to say when the time comes. If the Holy Spirit is giving us the words to say, then we know that the Holy Spirit will be with us. So I believe we will have peace in our decision since the words we speak will not be our own. This is an area that surpasses human understanding. You can be sure that if the situation you describe (involving your children) happens, then the Holy Spirit is going to be involved front and center and calling the shots. So no, I don't think the question can be answered since the Holy Spirit has not yet told us what to say since the event has not yet happened.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Gill Sans MT','sans-serif'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Many Blessings.</span></p>
<p> </p> Raul,
I understand what you…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-30:1383940:Comment:10765422011-07-30T03:06:14.375ZLeonard Thttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/lrtraina
<p>Raul,</p>
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<p>I understand what you are saying and the point is well taken, but I must still say that I do not know how I would respond. That is a simple and honest answer. We don't know, because we have not faced this, how much grace and strength God may give to us and our child during that situation. There are too many undetermined factors in this hypothetical illustration. We have an account int he Bible where the child was not spared until the very last moment as seen in Abraham…</p>
<p>Raul,</p>
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<p>I understand what you are saying and the point is well taken, but I must still say that I do not know how I would respond. That is a simple and honest answer. We don't know, because we have not faced this, how much grace and strength God may give to us and our child during that situation. There are too many undetermined factors in this hypothetical illustration. We have an account int he Bible where the child was not spared until the very last moment as seen in Abraham and Isaac. In that account it is even more difficult as he was commanded to be the one sacrificing his child.</p>
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<p>LT</p> Hi LT,
You are 100% correct…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-30:1383940:Comment:10763502011-07-30T00:17:39.111ZJohn Rogershttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JohnRogers
<p>Hi LT,</p>
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<p>You are 100% correct. Since these are tests of faith that have yet to take place. Human understanding, logic, and reasoning can't help us here. The answer is, that the question can not be answered.</p>
<p>Hi LT,</p>
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<p>You are 100% correct. Since these are tests of faith that have yet to take place. Human understanding, logic, and reasoning can't help us here. The answer is, that the question can not be answered.</p> Hi Raul, The answer Scribe ga…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-30:1383940:Comment:10767172011-07-30T00:12:46.797ZJohn Rogershttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JohnRogers
Hi Raul, <br/><br/>The answer Scribe gave is correct for your answer as well. An answer can't be given to something that has not yet happened. What we are talking about are tests of faith that have yet to take place. ....Since It is impossible to know the answer to a test which has yet to take place, the question can't be answered with human logic or reasoning.
Hi Raul, <br/><br/>The answer Scribe gave is correct for your answer as well. An answer can't be given to something that has not yet happened. What we are talking about are tests of faith that have yet to take place. ....Since It is impossible to know the answer to a test which has yet to take place, the question can't be answered with human logic or reasoning. Scribe,
Agreed.
LTtag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-29:1383940:Comment:10761592011-07-29T23:06:06.306ZLeonard Thttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/lrtraina
<p>Scribe,</p>
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<p>Agreed.</p>
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<p>LT</p>
<p>Scribe,</p>
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<p>Agreed.</p>
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<p>LT</p> Like the other question, this…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-29:1383940:Comment:10765332011-07-29T23:05:21.114ZLeonard Thttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/lrtraina
<p>Like the other question, this one is impossible to know the answer until the event unfolds. We also will find that we may respond one way in a situation and then faced with a similar sitaution we may respond differently.</p>
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<p>The key in all of this is two fold. 1) Heart: Has the person come to know Christ as Savior, meaning is Jesus their Savior? 2) Jesus: Is our salvation dependant upon us or Jesus?</p>
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<p>My thoughts on this, anyway.</p>
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<p>LT</p>
<p>Like the other question, this one is impossible to know the answer until the event unfolds. We also will find that we may respond one way in a situation and then faced with a similar sitaution we may respond differently.</p>
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<p>The key in all of this is two fold. 1) Heart: Has the person come to know Christ as Savior, meaning is Jesus their Savior? 2) Jesus: Is our salvation dependant upon us or Jesus?</p>
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<p>My thoughts on this, anyway.</p>
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<p>LT</p> Hi Scribe,
Yes, it was a toug…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-29:1383940:Comment:10763422011-07-29T22:09:33.365ZJohn Rogershttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JohnRogers
<p>Hi Scribe,</p>
<p>Yes, it was a tough riddle. It was designed to be, since you are a man who would not have appreciated its significance otherwise. You have indeed come to a correct and wise conclusion.</p>
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<p>"None of us knows if we are totally devoted, until we face the…</p>
<p>Hi Scribe,</p>
<p>Yes, it was a tough riddle. It was designed to be, since you are a man who would not have appreciated its significance otherwise. You have indeed come to a correct and wise conclusion.</p>
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<p>"None of us knows if we are totally devoted, until we face the head-cutters."</p>
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<p>Your answer above, is also the question that lies at the very heart of our faith. What would we do?</p>
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<p>Good Response!</p> Wow. You just like to go for…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-29:1383940:Comment:10761542011-07-29T21:53:19.652ZScribeDhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/ScribeDNucov
<p>Wow. You just like to go for the jugular (so to speak) don't you?</p>
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<p>When I first became a Christian, I wrestled with this question. Before praying to receive Christ, I became convicted that I would have to be ready to accept martyrdom (long story behind that) in order to be an actual Christian.</p>
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<p>However, about 4 or 5 years ago, I watched the beheading of Nick Berg by Al Qaeda on You tube. Twice. I cried and threw up after seeing it. I get shivers thinking of it…</p>
<p>Wow. You just like to go for the jugular (so to speak) don't you?</p>
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<p>When I first became a Christian, I wrestled with this question. Before praying to receive Christ, I became convicted that I would have to be ready to accept martyrdom (long story behind that) in order to be an actual Christian.</p>
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<p>However, about 4 or 5 years ago, I watched the beheading of Nick Berg by Al Qaeda on You tube. Twice. I cried and threw up after seeing it. I get shivers thinking of it today.</p>
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<p>About the same time, I also read a report on Voice of the Martyrs about a Chinese man who went to prison for his faith. He was tortured and they demanded that he renounce Christ or be tortured until death. After weeks of torture and deprivation of food and water, he relented and signed a renouncement of Christ. That man went home and could not sleep for days because he believed he had been as evil as Judas. He got up and went out in the streets crying out "I have renounced my savior and lord, I am worthy of hell". He continued walking and crying out for many days until someone took him in and "took his confession" and then pronounced forgiveness on him in the name of Jesus. He wept and went to sleep. Not long afterward he went back out and began preaching boldly. He was re-arrested. This time, they tortured him again and said "we will torture you to death unless you go out publicly renouncing Christ". He refused. So, they tortured him for weeks. Only when they got tired of it, did they quit and they threw him out like trash, thinking he was dead. He recovered and arose to go home. On his way, he preached publicly that he had renounced Christ and been forgiven - counted worthy of suffering for Christ a second time. As a result, he led many people to Christ. He became a pastor and evangelist who lives under the constant threat of being jailed again.</p>
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<p>That is a man who has "total devotion". I am a man who shudders after watching an American Jewish electrician get beheaded; not for his faith, but just for being an American and a Jew.</p>
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<p>I think of the Priest of Baghdad who, after being threatened and beaten many times by the Muslim Brotherhood many times just for holding church in Baghdad, refused to leave - even when his own church demanded it. He said "Christ did not run. I will not run. My life is in God's hands" His Parish had existed in Baghdad for centuries, and he was a Chaldean, yet he was treated like a foreigner. Eventually, after several years, he was also taken, beaten and beheaded by the Muslim Brotherhood. That is a man who had total devotion.</p>
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<p>None of us knows if we are totally devoted, until we face the head-cutters. And by the way, they don't use guillotines - they use knives. Sorry to be graphic, but I take this seriously.</p>
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<p>Blessings!</p>
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<p>~Scribe</p>
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<p> </p> Hi Scribe,
Thank you for re…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2011-07-29:1383940:Comment:10763372011-07-29T21:01:03.910ZJohn Rogershttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JohnRogers
<p>Hi Scribe,</p>
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<p>Thank you for responding. I very much enjoy, and indeed look forward to reading your insights on all topics because I know that you especially love figuring out thought provoking questions.</p>
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<p>Here is one I have designed especially for you......Let me ask you the following.</p>
<p>If called upon to deny Christ or submit to a beheading. Which would you chose? If you chose yes, than wouldn't you already be in total devotion to Christ since what…</p>
<p>Hi Scribe,</p>
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<p>Thank you for responding. I very much enjoy, and indeed look forward to reading your insights on all topics because I know that you especially love figuring out thought provoking questions.</p>
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<p>Here is one I have designed especially for you......Let me ask you the following.</p>
<p>If called upon to deny Christ or submit to a beheading. Which would you chose? If you chose yes, than wouldn't you already be in total devotion to Christ since what more devotion can one have than to give his own life for another? If you chose no then how could you call yourself a friend or even a son as you made reference to earlier, since what friend would not give up his own life for a friend that has given up his life for you?....How is that for a brain teaser?</p>
<p>I am curious about what your response would be to the above conundrum. Lol</p>
<p>Many Blessings my brother and friend in Christ.</p>