The "New" Jesus "Copycat" arguments? - All About GOD2024-03-29T15:17:12Zhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/the-new-jesus-copycat?groupUrl=allaboutgodnet&commentId=1383940%3AComment%3A561028&groupId=1383940%3AGroup%3A523535&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThank you sis-
Very good inf…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-06-05:1383940:Comment:6332082010-06-05T08:38:45.155ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
Thank you sis-<br />
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Very good information. Blessings. :)
Thank you sis-<br />
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Very good information. Blessings. :) tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-06-05:1383940:Comment:6332072010-06-05T08:37:57.124ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
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Wow - Sheron it would be a well worth project, but there are some great books already out. If you wre to google "is Christianity a myth" you would get lots of hits.
Wow - Sheron it would be a well worth project, but there are some great books already out. If you wre to google "is Christianity a myth" you would get lots of hits. Pictures of Horus - how ca…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-06-05:1383940:Comment:6331792010-06-05T06:55:40.889ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
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<b>Pictures of Horus - how can this be compare to Jesus, hahahaha The world is so hungry for an excuse to not served God and in search of a quick buck that they come up with anything and everything</b>
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<b>Pictures of Horus - how can this be compare to Jesus, hahahaha The world is so hungry for an excuse to not served God and in search of a quick buck that they come up with anything and everything</b> Background material about Hor…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-06-05:1383940:Comment:6331752010-06-05T06:53:30.133ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez616
Background material about Horus:<br />
Various ancient Egyptian statues and writings tell of Horus, (pronounced "hohr'-uhs;"<br />
a.k.a. Harseisis, Heru-sa-Aset (Horus, son of Isis), Heru-ur (Horus the elder), Hr, and Hrw), a creator sky God.<br />
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He was worshipped thousands of years before the first century CE -- the time when Jesus was ministering in the Galilee and/or Judea. 2 Horus was often represented as a stylized eye symbol, symbolizing the eye of a falcon. He was also presented "in the shape of a…
Background material about Horus:<br />
Various ancient Egyptian statues and writings tell of Horus, (pronounced "hohr'-uhs;"<br />
a.k.a. Harseisis, Heru-sa-Aset (Horus, son of Isis), Heru-ur (Horus the elder), Hr, and Hrw), a creator sky God.<br />
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He was worshipped thousands of years before the first century CE -- the time when Jesus was ministering in the Galilee and/or Judea. 2 Horus was often represented as a stylized eye symbol, symbolizing the eye of a falcon. He was also presented "in the shape of a sparrow hawk or as a man [or lion] with a hawk's head." 3 He is often shown as an infant cradled by his mother Isis.<br />
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He was considered to be the son of two major Egyptian deities: the God Osirus and and the Goddess Isis. In adulthood, he avenged his father's murder, and became recognized as the God of civil order and justice. Each of the Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be the living embodiment -- an incarnation --<br />
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Tom Harpur, author of "The Pagan Christ; Recovering the Lost Light," 2 suggests that ancient Egyptian religion was henotheistic. That is, they recognize a single deity, Ra. They view other Gods and Goddesses as manifestations or aspects of that supreme God. [We use the present tense in these sentences because the ancient Egyptian religion is still in existence in the form of a Neo-Pagan reconstruction.<br />
Harpur writes:<br />
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"A list of the names of all the gods of Egypt would fill pages. But all these gods were only forms, attributes or phases of Ra, the solar god, who himself was the supreme symbol or metaphor for God....Horus, the son of Osirus and Isis, is himself an aspect of Ra." David,
I am seriously intere…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-04-07:1383940:Comment:5956912010-04-07T15:54:19.446ZSharon Theresa Theilhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/SharonTheresaTheil
David,<br />
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I am seriously interested in working on a book about this topic, namely the erroneous idea that Christianity is just another myth among many, I think that if we could join forces maybe we can flesh out some fundamental information here at ALL ABOUT GOD.net and see if we have enough material, and enough passion, for a book length project.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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Your Sister in Christ,<br />
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Sharon.
David,<br />
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I am seriously interested in working on a book about this topic, namely the erroneous idea that Christianity is just another myth among many, I think that if we could join forces maybe we can flesh out some fundamental information here at ALL ABOUT GOD.net and see if we have enough material, and enough passion, for a book length project.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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Your Sister in Christ,<br />
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Sharon. That is some really great inf…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-02-20:1383940:Comment:5720772010-02-20T22:28:22.283ZRodney M Hallhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/RodneyMHall
That is some really great information David. I think that I willl be reading this from time to time to stay re-freshed, on the materiail. Thanks for taking the time to gather and post the great info
That is some really great information David. I think that I willl be reading this from time to time to stay re-freshed, on the materiail. Thanks for taking the time to gather and post the great info Thank you Charles. That is gr…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-02-20:1383940:Comment:5720722010-02-20T22:16:22.053ZRodney M Hallhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/RodneyMHall
Thank you Charles. That is great information. I had forgotten about the years that he as alive. And I toally agree that he would would be a good source of information historically.<br />
Thanks so much
Thank you Charles. That is great information. I had forgotten about the years that he as alive. And I toally agree that he would would be a good source of information historically.<br />
Thanks so much 4) "They worked miracles" As…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-02-08:1383940:Comment:5610292010-02-08T07:22:18.776ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez
4) "They worked miracles" As mythical figures they did "amazing thing" but none went about healing the sick.<br />
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None of the figures that Till mentions above were miracle workers in the sense of Jesus. They did not Rome the country healing people or praying over fish and loaves in order to supernaturally expand one meal into a repast for several thousand people. Mythological events follow them, thus when Mithras kills the Bull wheat springs from its tale. But of course, it is mythology. They were…
4) "They worked miracles" As mythical figures they did "amazing thing" but none went about healing the sick.<br />
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None of the figures that Till mentions above were miracle workers in the sense of Jesus. They did not Rome the country healing people or praying over fish and loaves in order to supernaturally expand one meal into a repast for several thousand people. Mythological events follow them, thus when Mithras kills the Bull wheat springs from its tale. But of course, it is mythology. They were not flesh and blood people whom eye witnesses saw heal the sick. That did not happen in the case of any of these figures.<br />
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5) "They died, most of them through crucifixion" This is an outright lie, no credible source shows any of these being crucified.<br />
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None of the figures that he names died through crucifixion. Some of them became associated with the cross through pagan borrowing after the time of Christ, but in the pure mythical content of their stories none of them were crucified.<br />
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6) "They were Resurrected from the dead" this claim is true of some but not all, and even of those not in the manner of Christ.<br />
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None of them were seen by real flesh and blood eye witnesses after their deaths. In stories of Dionysus he does come back to life, but only in a mythology and only in relation to dying rising of nature cycles. see below. And not all of them came back to life.<br />
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<b>The differences go on and on and on... There is no comparison between Jesus and these mythological figures, except a desperate attempt by the skeptics to sell books, feeding upon people do not do real research and uninformed Christians.</b> 1) Calling them all "saviors"…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-02-08:1383940:Comment:5610282010-02-08T07:21:25.923ZDavid Velasquezhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/DavidVelasquez
1) Calling them all "saviors" distorts the evidenceNone of them are saviors in the manner of Jesus Christ They are all heroes, so they all saved people in some sense. Some of them did offer eternal life to their followers so we can look at that latter. But none of them are saviors in the sense of dying for the sins of the world.<br />
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2) "Presumably lived..." is a big distortion, no proof that they did live.<br />
A few of them may have been based on actual people. In fact the Greek Herakles (Hercules)…
1) Calling them all "saviors" distorts the evidenceNone of them are saviors in the manner of Jesus Christ They are all heroes, so they all saved people in some sense. Some of them did offer eternal life to their followers so we can look at that latter. But none of them are saviors in the sense of dying for the sins of the world.<br />
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2) "Presumably lived..." is a big distortion, no proof that they did live.<br />
A few of them may have been based on actual people. In fact the Greek Herakles (Hercules) was probably two people fussed together into myth from two different times in history (Charles Seltman, the Twelve Olympians, Thomas Y. Corwell company: 1962, p.175-177. But there is nowhere near the kind of documentation for this that there is for Jesus. We have no writings of anyone who claimed to have known Herakles, we have no writings that even approximate eyewitness testimony, we have no proof that he existed at all. No body of his teachings, not even one saying by him has come down to us through history. Everything about him is totally speculative or mythological. And this is also true for every single figure mentioned; it is probable that Mithra was a real figure, or based upon a real figure but we have no way of knowing. Osiris was pure mythology and we have no idea who he might be based upon, it may be a good guess that Krishna was a real figure at one time, but we know nothing about any of these characters that is not purely mythological.<br />
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3) "They were born of Virgins" actually none of them were.<br />
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This is a tricky one. Some of these figures were not even claimed to have been produced by Virgins. Others, it depends. That is, none of them were produced without the benefit of sexual contact. For some, such as Herakles that contact came between the mother and god, the mother may never have "known" a mortal man, and so in a technical sense is a 'virgin' but she not conceived without benefit of sexual contact. Jesus Christ was so conceived. The notion of the "Virginal conception" does not say that God was Mary's lover, Mary did not have sex with God, when the Holy Spirit "came upon her" it was more like artificial insemination, not sexual contact. And none of these "saviors" were touted as products of "virginal conceptions" as part of their theological doctrine.