Insight Please - All About GOD2024-03-29T00:10:16Zhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/insight-please?commentId=1383940%3AComment%3A1729063&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou asked, “what do you do wi…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-21:1383940:Comment:17290632017-03-21T14:05:36.383ZJBhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JoeBoyce
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">You asked, “what do you do with the book of Job” I believe I would leave it where it is for now, and look at the new testament where God says in 2Pet.1:2-3, that God has given to us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him, who hath called us to glory and virtue, whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these we might be partakers of His Divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the…</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">You asked, “what do you do with the book of Job” I believe I would leave it where it is for now, and look at the new testament where God says in 2Pet.1:2-3, that God has given to us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him, who hath called us to glory and virtue, whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these we might be partakers of His Divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">You must remember that God doesn’t deal with us “the new creation” the way He did with those that were under the law. The promises were given to us 430 years before the law was given to Moses. Even in <b>Psalm 103:9-10 (KJV)</b> <br/></font> <sup><font size="2">9</font></sup></font> <font face="Calibri"><font size="3"> He will not always chide: neither will he keep <i>his anger</i> for ever. <br/></font> <sup><font size="2">10</font></sup> <font size="3"> <b><i><u>He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities</u></i></b>.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">Though this is in the old testament it references what was to come to the new creation.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">We need to quit living in the past, “under the law “and accept what God has prepared for the new testament saints. If God has redeemed us from the curse of the law, why then would He allow those curses to come on us, or why would He put these things on us?</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">If you can read Deut. 28:1-14, and see what happens to those that will hearken to the voice of the Lord, then read from the 15</font><sup><font size="2">th</font></sup> <font size="3">verse through the rest of the chapter, and see what happens to those that will not hearken to His voice.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">Also, read Ps. 91, and make it an affirmation, i.e. because <b><u>you</u></b> have made the Lord, which is <b><u>your</u></b> refuge even the Most High <b><u>your</u></b> habitation, <b><u>there shall no evil befall you</u></b>, <b><u>neither shall any plague come nigh your dwelling… </u></b>Does this sound like God is going to put these things on you, or will they just come to pass if you do certain things? God is the same yesterday, today and forever, but His laws are different for the new creation, than they were for those under the old testament laws, which was called the law of sin and death.</font> <b>Romans 8:1-3 (KJV)</b> <br/> <sup>1</sup> <i>There is</i> therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. <br/> <sup>2</sup> For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. <br/> <sup>3</sup> For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:</p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><font size="3"><b>2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)</b> <br/></font> <sup><font size="2">17</font></sup> <font size="3"> Therefore if any man <i>be</i> in Christ, <b><i><u>he is</u></i> <u>a new creature</u></b>: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.</font></font></p>
<p></p> I believe;
Some are misinterp…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-21:1383940:Comment:17291682017-03-21T03:03:45.669ZJBhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/JoeBoyce
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">I believe;</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">Some are misinterpreting the word “REASON” They are assuming they are saying it happened for a purpose, rather than the reason it happened is “someone messed up: is the REASON it happened” etc.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">This reasoning comes from the teaching that “everything that happens or, (happens to you) either God caused it to happen, or God allowed it to happen” therefore it must have…</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">I believe;</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">Some are misinterpreting the word “REASON” They are assuming they are saying it happened for a purpose, rather than the reason it happened is “someone messed up: is the REASON it happened” etc.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">This reasoning comes from the teaching that “everything that happens or, (happens to you) either God caused it to happen, or God allowed it to happen” therefore it must have been God’s will that it happened.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="3">Which to me is absurd. If a person ran a stop sign, and had a wreck and was injured, could you say the city, or police allowed the wreck to happen? Or would you say the man/woman was injured because he disobeyed the law? Wouldn’t it be rather, it was the persons own negligence that caused “the reason” it happened? We have a choice, obey the law and live, or disobey the law and die.</font></p>
<p><font size="3"><i>Deut. 30:19 (KJV)</i></font> <br/> <b><i> I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: <u>therefore choose life,</u> that both thou and thy seed may live:</i></b></p>
<p>You do have that choice.</p>
<p>Now, the reason I say this is, because not long ago I was watching a well-known television evangelist say this very thing, they are a member of the AOG denomination, by the way.</p>
<p>How can a Pentecostal preacher believe anything so ridicules? </p>
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<p>Romans 8:24-27 goes<b><i><u>,</u></i></b><b><i><u> For we are saved by hope</u></i></b>: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? <br/> <b><i><sup> </sup></i></b>But if we hope for that we see not<b><i><u>,</u> <u>then do we with patience wait for it.</u> <br/> <u>Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities</u>: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: <u>but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.</u> <sup> </sup>And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, <u>because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.</u></i></b> <font face="Calibri"><font size="3"> And we know that <b><i><u>all things</u></i></b> work together for good to them that love God, <b><i><u>to them who are the called according to his purpose.</u></i></b></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><font size="3"><b><i><u>What things</u></i></b> <b><i><u>work together for good to them that love God,</u></i></b> is He talking about?</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="3"><font face="Calibri"> I believe if we keep this in context, we will see that the things He is mentioning in the previous verses, will be the things that are working for the good of the believers. I.e. <b><u>Being saved by hope</u></b>, <b><u>with patience waiting for it,</u></b> and <b><u>the Spirit helping our lack of knowledge</u></b> “<b><u>which would be our infirmity</u></b> “of knowing how to pray, or intercede, for the ones we are praying for. Why else would we be praying in the Spirit? To get the knowledge of God pertaining to the situation at hand. Why else would Peter kneel down and pray before turning to the body of Tabitha, if he didn’t need to know what he should pray for, or intercede for her?</font></font> Acts 9:40, <b><i><u>But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed</u></i></b>; and turning <i>him</i> to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up. With patience he waited for the answer from God, or the Holy Spirit. And if he didn’t have hope that she would be raised up, he would never have prayed.</p>
<p>My thoughts.</p>
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Why Christians Should Stop Saying “Everything Happens for a Reason”<br />
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By Jarrid Wilson<br />
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I can’t begin to explain how many times I’ve heard the phrase “Everything happens for a reason” growing up, especially while surrounded by many people who would consider themselves Christians or people of faith. And while I understand that this statement is mostly used to help comfort and console people who are in times of turmoil and uncertainty, I’ve had a hard time wrapping my head around the validity of…
Why Christians Should Stop Saying “Everything Happens for a Reason”<br />
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By Jarrid Wilson<br />
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I can’t begin to explain how many times I’ve heard the phrase “Everything happens for a reason” growing up, especially while surrounded by many people who would consider themselves Christians or people of faith. And while I understand that this statement is mostly used to help comfort and console people who are in times of turmoil and uncertainty, I’ve had a hard time wrapping my head around the validity of its meaning.<br />
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I come from a place where I believe that not everything in life happens for a reason, but that everything that does happen can ultimately be redeemed and used by God for a purpose (Romans 8:28). These two things are quite different if you begin to unpack their meaning and understanding.<br />
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We live in a fallen world, a world full of sinful people, people who are in need of the grace of Jesus. With this being said, we have to understand that there are things in this world that are going to take place that aren’t of God, his character or his doing. He may have allowed them to happen, but he didn’t forcefully direct them. Many might disagree with my last statement depending on their theology, but I hold true to my belief that God does not have his hand in sin, darkness or anything contrary to that of good as it states in 1 John 1:5, 2 Corinthians 5:1 and 1 John 3:5.<br />
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When someone uses the phrase “Everything happens for a reason,” what they could be saying to somebody is the following:<br />
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“Your father died of Cancer for a reason.”<br />
“Your son got hit by a drunk driver for a reason.”<br />
“Your child was stillborn for a reason.”<br />
“You were abused as a child for a reason.”<br />
“You were raped or sexually assaulted for a reason.”<br />
“You are struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts for a reason.”<br />
“Your spouse cheated on you for a reason.”<br />
“Your friend was murdered for a reason.”<br />
“Your house caught on fire for a reason.”<br />
“Your friend committed suicide for a reason.”<br />
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That’s who He is.<br />
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When you begin to really look at some of these statements for what they are, the phrase “Everything happens for a reason” seems to make a lot less sense and sound a lot more misleading. But what doesn’t change when looking at these phrases is the fact that God can bring redemption to each of them, use them for a purpose and allow the testimonies that come out of them help further his kingdom. That’s who he is. That’s what he does.<br />
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We have to be careful when using lofty statements and responses that sound good for the moment, but can actually be harmful in the long run—especially as it pertains to one’s views on God and his hand in their life. If one really believes that everything happens for a reason, then one has to also ask themselves whether or not they believe God would have his hand in circumstances and actions contrary to that of his Word and character. I just saw a good article on…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-20:1383940:Comment:17291562017-03-20T20:43:55.735ZSeekhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Seek
I just saw a good article on why saying everything happens for a reason is bad. Will see if I can find it.
I just saw a good article on why saying everything happens for a reason is bad. Will see if I can find it. Hi Meinke. I agree with a lot…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-20:1383940:Comment:17289962017-03-20T06:02:58.784ZDavidhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/David90
<p>Hi Meinke. I agree with a lot you said, especially that everything must line up with the Word of God, no question. However, you say all sickness is for a reason, if this were true, that would mean the result would be that everyone, with a disease or sickness, become Christian and turn to God.</p>
<p class="BODY">God is not a respecter of people. What about all the non-Christians who die, having no idea about God or why they are sick.? Surely what God does for one He must do for the other?…</p>
<p>Hi Meinke. I agree with a lot you said, especially that everything must line up with the Word of God, no question. However, you say all sickness is for a reason, if this were true, that would mean the result would be that everyone, with a disease or sickness, become Christian and turn to God.</p>
<p class="BODY">God is not a respecter of people. What about all the non-Christians who die, having no idea about God or why they are sick.? Surely what God does for one He must do for the other? Act 10:34 “Then Peter opened <i>his</i> mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:”</p>
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<p>Below is taken from Bodily Healing and the Atonement by Dr. T. J. McCrossan:</p>
<p>“Let us begin by asking a very important question: “How did sickness enter this world?” Our answer is found in Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned”. Then physical death and all that produces it are the direct results of sin. But how came man to sin? Read Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 3:1-19, and you will find that it was Satan who caused our first parents to disobey God. Then Satan is the real originator of sin, sickness, and death. Many deny this and say that God Himself is the real author of sickness and death because He said to Adam (Genesis 2:17), “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. But who caused Adam and Eve to disobey God’s command and so bring sin, sickness, and death into this world? Satan. Then Satan, and not God, is the real author of sin, sickness, and death."</p>
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<p> Please listen to Curry Blake’s DHT and New Man teachings, it is awesome stuff.</p> I can’t really comment on why…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-20:1383940:Comment:17287982017-03-20T05:36:56.036ZDavidhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/David90
<p class="BODY">I can’t really comment on why some people believe up until the day they die, I do not know their circumstances nor their backgrounds as Christians.</p>
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<p class="BODY">Remember Eph 6:12 reads, “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high <i>places.</i>” This is a reality, we have an enemy who wants to destroy every single one of…</p>
<p class="BODY">I can’t really comment on why some people believe up until the day they die, I do not know their circumstances nor their backgrounds as Christians.</p>
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<p class="BODY">Remember Eph 6:12 reads, “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high <i>places.</i>” This is a reality, we have an enemy who wants to destroy every single one of us. 1Pe 5:8 reads “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour:”</p>
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<p class="BODY">Just because our law says it is a crime to steal, does this prevent burglars breaking into our homes? Same with our lives, the devil has no right, but he does it any way, for he is a criminal. This will continue to happen until we, as Gods “policeman”, show up. Rom 8:19 reads “For the earnest expectation of the creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.”</p>
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<p class="BODY">We should never be afraid of the devil as Rom 16:20 reads “And the God of peace shall bruise(crush completely) satan under your feet shortly…” and 2Co 10:4 reads “For the weapons of our warfare <i>are</i> not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds” and also James 4:7 “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”</p> Then why do some people belie…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-18:1383940:Comment:17290342017-03-18T01:25:34.957ZSeekhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Seek
Then why do some people believe they'll be healed right up until the day they die? The reason why both need faith is that Christ didn't heal those without faith and they didn't get healing from one without faith. You're either going to have a faithless person praying or you're too faithless to receive healing. But while Jesus was "willing" to heal, sometimes healing isn't in the best interest. They can have loads of faith in healing yet a proud heart and therefore His will is more so that they…
Then why do some people believe they'll be healed right up until the day they die? The reason why both need faith is that Christ didn't heal those without faith and they didn't get healing from one without faith. You're either going to have a faithless person praying or you're too faithless to receive healing. But while Jesus was "willing" to heal, sometimes healing isn't in the best interest. They can have loads of faith in healing yet a proud heart and therefore His will is more so that they have a heart change so He may withhold healing. This is why it's ultimately up to God, faith or no faith. When Jesus said He was willin…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-17:1383940:Comment:17291162017-03-17T05:30:01.610ZDavidhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/David90
<p>When Jesus said He was willing to heal, according to the Strong’s Concordance, Jesus was actually saying ““I will always do it because it is my intense desire and longing to act on my nature which is to deliver.” In the Wuest Expanded translation Mat 8:3 reads “…and having stretched out His hand He touched him saying, I am desiring it from all my heart. Be cleansed at once.” It is in Gods very nature to heal. </p>
<p>Job was righteous, but he was not under the New Covenant we are under. If…</p>
<p>When Jesus said He was willing to heal, according to the Strong’s Concordance, Jesus was actually saying ““I will always do it because it is my intense desire and longing to act on my nature which is to deliver.” In the Wuest Expanded translation Mat 8:3 reads “…and having stretched out His hand He touched him saying, I am desiring it from all my heart. Be cleansed at once.” It is in Gods very nature to heal. </p>
<p>Job was righteous, but he was not under the New Covenant we are under. If both the healer and one being healed need faith, then who had faith for Lazurus? It’s like saying you must first be sinless to accept Christ as your Lord. If this was the case, none of us would be saved. I believe that is used by Christians/Pastors who pray for the sick and don't get results, instead of taking the blame for their own unbelief , they condemn the ones they are praying for, saying "you didn't have enough faith etc."</p>
<p>Jesus healed all he came across. Math reads 12:15 "But when Jesus knew <i>it,</i> he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all”. Again Luk 6:19 reads “And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed <i>them</i> all” Sometimes, the crowds totalled over 15000 people. Did they all have faith to be healed? Did Jesus sit down with each of them and check their faith, go into their detailed medical history? No He didin’t, <b>He healed them all.</b> </p>
<p class="BODY">Sometimes healing is instant, sometimes it is a process. Mar 16:18 reads “… they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Recovering is a process, meaning we return to a normal, healthy state. Would I prefer instant, of course, wouldn’t anyone? I would more be angry than discouraged if it didn’t happen, angry with our enemy the devil, who will always try hinder our healing.</p>
<p class="BODY">Becoming born again also includes healing, but most Christians don't even know it - Rom 10:9 reads, “ That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved (sozo, meaning delivered, protected, healed, be made whole)</p>
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<p class="BODY">Be Blessed!!</p>
<p class="BODY">Dave</p> Our pastor spoke on this last…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-16:1383940:Comment:17290212017-03-16T10:32:09.179ZSeekhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Seek
Our pastor spoke on this last night. And his comment was "it rains on the just and the unjust". Yes Jesus wants us to prosper and be in good health but didn't state we all will be. We may later, we may never. He said to go heal but even He didn't heal everyone He met because of a lack of faith in the area. Crowds gathered around Him and some had to be sick but Scripture only mentions certain healings. The healer and one being healed both need faith, but we will always have trouble. We live in a…
Our pastor spoke on this last night. And his comment was "it rains on the just and the unjust". Yes Jesus wants us to prosper and be in good health but didn't state we all will be. We may later, we may never. He said to go heal but even He didn't heal everyone He met because of a lack of faith in the area. Crowds gathered around Him and some had to be sick but Scripture only mentions certain healings. The healer and one being healed both need faith, but we will always have trouble. We live in a sinful world. Job was righteous yet was sick for a reason. The blind man was born blind for a reason and Lazurus died for a reason. One came before Him and asked if He was willing. He believed Jesus could heal him but didn't know if He'd be willing to.<br/>
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You said you are recovering. Jesus healed instantly. That's not to say God's not healing you but it's His decision on how. Paul said that physical exercise was of some benefit and if any were sick have the elders pray over them. So while healing can occur, it won't always. We can still believe God wants us well but know it's ultimately up to Him so we aren't discouraged if it doesn't happen. Hi Seek, thanks again for tak…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2017-03-16:1383940:Comment:17291082017-03-16T05:44:03.698ZDavidhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/David90
<p class="BODY">Hi Seek, thanks again for taking the time to reply.</p>
<p class="BODY">I understand your concerns and you are right, it is very easy to become discouraged. I too, was battling a disease, without any hope. First I trusted medication, then natural supplements and then diet. These had all failed me. All we really need is some hope and Christ has become that hope for me. I am now recovering without man’s help! As you mention, people will condemn what they don’t understand, it’s so…</p>
<p class="BODY">Hi Seek, thanks again for taking the time to reply.</p>
<p class="BODY">I understand your concerns and you are right, it is very easy to become discouraged. I too, was battling a disease, without any hope. First I trusted medication, then natural supplements and then diet. These had all failed me. All we really need is some hope and Christ has become that hope for me. I am now recovering without man’s help! As you mention, people will condemn what they don’t understand, it’s so much easier blaming someone else.</p>
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<p class="BODY">I know a lot of damage has been done because of false teachings and asking with the provisio “if it be Thy will”. Jesus did say “Your will be done”, but it was not concerning healing. </p>
<p class="BODY">It is <b>always</b> God’s will to heal, 3 John 1:2 reads, “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers. Mat 9:35 reads,“ …and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.” As much a Christ bore our sins, he also bore or sickness. Isa 53:4 reads “Surely he hath borne our <b>griefs</b> <b>[sickness, disease]</b>, and carried our <b>sorrows</b> <b>[affliction,anguish]”</b> In 1Peter 2:24, we read, “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree … by whose stripes [bruise] you <b>were</b> healed”. We were healed over 2000 years ago, why do we need to ask God for what He has already given? We must be careful not to lower the standard of God’s Word based on our own experiences.</p>
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<p class="BODY">Paul’s thorn was not a sickness. Act 19:11,12 reads, “And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.” Do you really believe that Paul would perform these miracles, and yet, do so, bearing his own sickness? Would he not have thought “let’s try one of these handkerchiefs on this annoying eye disease I have”?</p>
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<p class="BODY">I implore you, please listen to Curry Blake’s DHT training and New Man, it explains and expands beyond what I ever can here.</p>
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<p class="BODY">Be Blessed!!</p>
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