Care to shed light on the head-covering principle, anyone? - All About GOD2024-03-28T16:22:36Zhttp://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/care-to-shed-light-on-the?commentId=1383940%3AComment%3A586817&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI understand how you feel abo…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-20:1383940:Comment:6220862010-05-20T05:59:35.221ZProphethttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Prophet
I understand how you feel about the long tassels and that we are not supposed to be flashy in our dress etc. I'm not asking this to put you under any condemnation......I am just interested to see how different people feel about all of these things. Here is an explanation about our underwear......<br />
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When we worship our lord we need to approach Him with humility and respect and in some instances the way we dress is part of the respect. The Mormons have this part right they wear what they call…
I understand how you feel about the long tassels and that we are not supposed to be flashy in our dress etc. I'm not asking this to put you under any condemnation......I am just interested to see how different people feel about all of these things. Here is an explanation about our underwear......<br />
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When we worship our lord we need to approach Him with humility and respect and in some instances the way we dress is part of the respect. The Mormons have this part right they wear what they call temple garments which are kind of cut off long johns or long underpants that reach from the knee to the waist, which are made of cotton, and very comfortable to wear. The dress requirements for priests is very clear in Exodus 28, and as we are a Royal Priesthood, we should be wearing what priests wear when we serve the Lord.<br />
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perhaps I am too radical....... but how can I just obey those parts that make me feel good, I must follow the whole requirement, some people say but that is not applicable to us "Born Again" Christians, or to women as they were not priests, because we are not under the law.... Exactly, we are not under the law but we still have to follow the requirements for Holy Living, and for approaching the Lord with our pettitions and prayers...... now we can come boldly before the throne of Grace but we must still come with respect.<br />
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Exodus 28 42 "Make linen undergarments as a covering for the body, reaching from the waist to the thigh. 43 Aaron and his sons must wear them whenever they enter the Tent of Meeting or approach the altar to minister in the Holy Place, so that they will not incur guilt and die.<br />
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Sorry if this is another curve ball....... but you know what ask God He is the ultimate answer to all our questions..... I am required to dress like this but that is what God wants from me.....He may not require this from you So ask Him... and see where He leads you HI Linda, such lovely promise…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-11:1383940:Comment:6178622010-05-11T06:21:26.735ZProphethttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Prophet
HI Linda, such lovely promises, but why did you take the tassels off? just a question,<br />
because that is also one of the dress requirements that we have tassles on the "corners" of our garments.<br />
The dress requirement is very wide and has so many facets, it is really quite interesting with things such as not mixing types of fabric, and of course the wearing of tassles and what our underwear should look like etc
HI Linda, such lovely promises, but why did you take the tassels off? just a question,<br />
because that is also one of the dress requirements that we have tassles on the "corners" of our garments.<br />
The dress requirement is very wide and has so many facets, it is really quite interesting with things such as not mixing types of fabric, and of course the wearing of tassles and what our underwear should look like etc Wow, undeserved high praies,…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-11:1383940:Comment:6178502010-05-11T05:42:11.282ZProphethttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Prophet
Wow, undeserved high praies, thank you, but the Praise must be to our Lord, Who is moulding me to be as He desires, and if He says I am a treasure then I rejoice and worship Him in His Holiness.<br />
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You are such a blessing and encouragement to me Woman of Worth and Virtue Be Blessed
Wow, undeserved high praies, thank you, but the Praise must be to our Lord, Who is moulding me to be as He desires, and if He says I am a treasure then I rejoice and worship Him in His Holiness.<br />
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You are such a blessing and encouragement to me Woman of Worth and Virtue Be Blessed Hi Stacey,
Here's an answer…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-10:1383940:Comment:6176142010-05-10T17:19:07.135ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
Hi Stacey,<br />
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Here's an answer from <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org" target="_blank">www.gotquestions.org</a> regarding the 'length of hair' issue which you have addressed. This conversation is in danger of the issue becoming legalistic if we are not careful. There isn't an action that we can 'do' to make ourselves more acceptable in God's sight.<br />
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Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;<br />
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If a women is to cover her head that…
Hi Stacey,<br />
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Here's an answer from <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org" target="_blank">www.gotquestions.org</a> regarding the 'length of hair' issue which you have addressed. This conversation is in danger of the issue becoming legalistic if we are not careful. There isn't an action that we can 'do' to make ourselves more acceptable in God's sight.<br />
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Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;<br />
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If a women is to cover her head that is something she should pray about and determine if it is conviction from the Holy Spirit to do this, or condemnation from the enemy saying 'you are not good enough...you must try harder to be acceptable'<br />
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Check out this article:<br />
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<b><u>Question</u>: "What does the Bible say about hair length? Do men have to have short hair, and do women have to have long hair?"</b><br />
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<b><u>Answer</u></b>: A passage that mentions hair length in the New Testament is 1 Corinthians 11:3-15. The Corinthian church was in the middle of a controversy about the roles of men and women and the proper order of authority within the church. In the Corinthian society, women showed submission to their husbands by wearing a veil. It seems that some of the women in the church were discarding their veils, something that only pagan temple prostitutes or other rebellious women would do. For a woman to come to church without her veil would be dishonoring to her husband, as well as culturally confusing. By the same token, for a man to wear a veil or to somehow have his head covered during worship was not culturally acceptable in Corinth.<br />
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Paul appeals to biology to illustrate the appropriateness of following the cultural standards: women naturally have longer hair than men, and men are much more prone to baldness. That is, God created women with a “natural veil” and men with an “uncovered head.” If a woman spurns the mark of her submission (the veil), she may as well shave her head (verse 6). His point is that if the culture says a woman should not be bald (going without her natural covering), then why would she reject that same culture’s standard of wearing a veil (going without her cultural covering)?<br />
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For the man’s part, it is unnatural for him to have “long hair” (verse 14). His hair is naturally shorter (and thinner) than the woman’s. This corresponds to the Corinthian tradition of men not wearing a head covering during worship. Paul urges the church to conform to the generally held ideas of male and female appearance.<br />
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While hair length is not the main point of this passage of scripture, we glean the following applications from it. 1) We should adhere to the culturally accepted indicators of gender. Men should look like men, and women should look like women. God is not interested in, nor does He accept, “unisex.” 2) We should not rebel against the culture just for the sake of rebelling, in the name of some sort of Christian “liberty.” It does matter how we present ourselves. 3) Women are to voluntarily place themselves under the authority of men in the church. 4) We should not reverse the God-ordained roles of men and women.<br />
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Our culture today does not use veils or head coverings to indicate submission to authority. The roles of men and women have not changed, but the way we symbolize those roles changes with the culture. Rather than establish legalistic standards of hair length, we must remember that the real issue is our heart condition, our individual response to the authority of God, His ordained order, and our choice to walk in submission to that authority. Men and women have different, God-ordained roles, and part of that difference is shown by their hair. A man's hair should look masculine. A woman's hair should look feminine.<br />
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<b><i>Recommended Resource: Bible Answers for Almost all Your Questions by Elmer Towns.</i></b><br />
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Here's another one:<br />
<b><u>Question:</u> "What does the Bible say about legalism? How can a Christian avoid falling into the trap of legalism?"</b><br />
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<b><u>Answer:</u></b> The word “legalism” does not occur in the Bible. It is a term Christians use to describe a doctrinal position emphasizing a system of rules and regulations for achieving both salvation and spiritual growth. Legalists believe in and demand a strict literal adherence to rules and regulations. Doctrinally, it is a position essentially opposed to grace. Those who hold a legalistic position often fail to see the real purpose for law, especially the purpose of the Old Testament law of Moses, which is to be our “schoolmaster” or “tutor” to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24).<br />
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Even true believers can be legalistic. We are instructed, rather, to be gracious to one another: “Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters” (Romans 14:1). Sadly, there are those who feel so strongly about non-essential doctrines that they will run others out of their fellowship, not even allowing the expression of another viewpoint. That, too, is legalism. Many legalistic believers today make the error of demanding unqualified adherence to their own biblical interpretations and even to their own traditions. For example, there are those who feel that to be spiritual one must simply avoid tobacco, alcoholic beverages, dancing, movies, etc. The truth is that avoiding these things is no guarantee of spirituality.<br />
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The apostle Paul warns us of legalism in Colossians 2:20-23: “Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: ‘Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!’? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.” Legalists may appear to be righteous and spiritual, but legalism ultimately fails to accomplish God’s purposes because it is an outward performance instead of an inward change.<br />
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To avoid falling into the trap of legalism, we can start by holding fast to the words of the apostle John, “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17) and remembering to be gracious, especially to our brothers and sisters in Christ. “Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand” (Romans 14:4). “You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat” (Romans 14:10).<br />
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A word of caution is necessary here. While we need to be gracious to one another and tolerant of disagreement over disputable matters, we cannot accept heresy. We are exhorted to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints (Jude 3). If we remember these guidelines and apply them in love and mercy, we will be safe from both legalism and heresy. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).<br />
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Recommended Resource: Balancing the Christian Life by Charles Ryrie.<br />
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Another passage to consider:<br />
Mat 5:20 "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.<br />
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Traditions do not have equal authority as Scripture does, and we are not to allow our relationship with God to be reduced to a legalistic list of rules and rituals.<br />
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I don't think you are doing this Stacey....just sending a sisterly reminder to be strong in your faith, however, if God is convicting you to lie prostrate for three days and cover your face with your hair and not look up during your prayers then who am I to say otherwise... Be prayerful and careful that it is conviction and not condemnation.<br />
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Blessings young sis.. In Him, Carla Yay... Praise God!
(and I'm a…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-08:1383940:Comment:6153512010-05-08T09:24:21.708ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
Yay... Praise God!<br />
(and I'm awake it's now 5:30 am, i've been up since 3:00 'cause my cat woke me (he was injured by a racoon and has a cone on his head)...my son was up, and hubby's neck is hurting so he is tossing and turning) ugh.....<br />
I can't even drink coffee today to stay awake 'cause of my heart....i'll try to nap later.<br />
(okay i'm done complaining) :) (sorry God)<br />
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I'll pray again for you for tonight. :)<br />
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Love you sis.. Carla
Yay... Praise God!<br />
(and I'm awake it's now 5:30 am, i've been up since 3:00 'cause my cat woke me (he was injured by a racoon and has a cone on his head)...my son was up, and hubby's neck is hurting so he is tossing and turning) ugh.....<br />
I can't even drink coffee today to stay awake 'cause of my heart....i'll try to nap later.<br />
(okay i'm done complaining) :) (sorry God)<br />
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I'll pray again for you for tonight. :)<br />
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Love you sis.. Carla Wow Linda... This is amazing.…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-08:1383940:Comment:6153482010-05-08T09:16:34.109ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
Wow Linda... This is amazing. This adds a new dimension to my pray life.<br />
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I Thank God for you here. Thank you for sharing that incredible dream with me...it is wonderful that God gave you the interpretation also.<br />
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I think we all need to settle this prayerfully in our hearts with God leading us.<br />
Blessings, Carla
Wow Linda... This is amazing. This adds a new dimension to my pray life.<br />
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I Thank God for you here. Thank you for sharing that incredible dream with me...it is wonderful that God gave you the interpretation also.<br />
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I think we all need to settle this prayerfully in our hearts with God leading us.<br />
Blessings, Carla Hi Linda :)
I've been prayin…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-08:1383940:Comment:6153332010-05-08T08:16:55.082ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
Hi Linda :)<br />
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I've been praying about this, and have begun to receive an answer. This is an act of submission. It is an important thing for each of God's children to learn and grow and God brings us through different seasons and processes. The act of a heartfelt prayer is an 'act of submission' in and of itself.. Knowing that God is the One who is able to do the things we ask. I believe that covering my head to pray is something that the Lord wants me to do as He teaches me submission…
Hi Linda :)<br />
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I've been praying about this, and have begun to receive an answer. This is an act of submission. It is an important thing for each of God's children to learn and grow and God brings us through different seasons and processes. The act of a heartfelt prayer is an 'act of submission' in and of itself.. Knowing that God is the One who is able to do the things we ask. I believe that covering my head to pray is something that the Lord wants me to do as He teaches me submission continually. However, more importantly, it is a matter of the heart. I have also been shown that just as God will convict us to 'stop doing' certain things (ie:watching tv, drinking wine etc...) for a season or permanently, He will also add things to us as He is teaching us and causing us to grow and learn of Him. God commands that we worship Him in spirit and in truth. When I pray, God hears my prayers whether my head is covered or not when my (or anyone's) heart is right. God looks more at our hearts, and the Holy Spirit searches us constantly as we come to the Lord in prayer. However, the covering of our heads is an act of submission, and as long as our hearts are right before HIm, this act will show outwardly that we are under His Lordship...He is indeed Lord of our lives, and we have a great need and desire for His counsel, and His guidance, protection, mercy, grace..the list goes on. This must not be just a ritual or an 'act' that we do ...not a habit....this is done to outwardly express what we already know to be true in our hearts.<br />
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Yesterday I took notice of the muslim population in my area. My children attend a school where there are many muslims. They cover their heads as an 'act' of submission. But they are missing an important aspect ....This is only a rule for them..it is a behavioural custom that has become a 'must' in their society. But it says little about the state of their heart towards God and submitting to the Lordship of Christ in their lives. We know this to be true because rather then submitting to Christ as messiah, they submit to rules and regulations under the 'government' of their leader 'muhammed.' This is between them and God.<br />
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I received this devotion today from the 'Institute for Creation Research'<br />
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<b>Heart-Felt Prayer<br />
May 8, 2010</b><br />
<i>"Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens." (Lamentations 3:41)</i><br />
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It is so easy to let our prayers become routine and repetitious, and we need to remember that God listens more closely to our hearts than the phrases from our lips. The Lord Jesus cautioned us about this: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him" (Matthew 6:7-8).<br />
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Many people will lift their hands to pray or prostrate themselves on the ground. Some will stand; some will kneel. Some shout, some pray silently, some even leap and dance. Some will write out their prayers and then read them to an audience; others will pray eloquently and at great length. But the thing that counts far more than posture or eloquence is our attitude of heart. We must lift up our hearts to the Lord, not just our hands or our voices. Then He will hear in heaven!<br />
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We need to feel as the psalmist felt: "As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God" (Psalm 42:1). Our hearts need first to be right, of course--pure and true in His sight. "Call on the Lord out of a pure heart" (2 Timothy 2:22). "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me" (Psalm 66:18). "Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance<br />
of faith" (Hebrews 10:22).<br />
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Our prayers must also come from a believing heart. "Let him ask in faith, nothing wavering." Otherwise, "let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord" (James 1:6-7). With these conditions met, the Christian is ready to pray, but then he must pray from deep within his pure, true, believing heart, and God will answer. "The effectual fervent |one word in the Greek, energeo| prayer of a righteous man availeth much" (James 5:16). HMM<i>~Institute for Creation Research</i><br />
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Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.<br />
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.<br />
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Blessings dear sis.....God Bless you for pressing in on me to pray further about this.<br />
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In Him, Carla Hi Linda,
Blessings to you a…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-06:1383940:Comment:6145092010-05-06T21:12:51.416ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
Hi Linda,<br />
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Blessings to you also..<br />
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Interestingly as I was reading your reply and also typing my previous response, the thought came to me that I could cover my head while in prayer if hubby is not home.. :)<br />
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Thank you also for reminding me of God's answer to prayer regarding the idols, He is so faithful.. you are absolutely right.<br />
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I believe this may be something I need to repent of...I'll turn to the Lord in prayer and He will show me...<br />
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God Bless you.. and Rod.. Carla
Hi Linda,<br />
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Blessings to you also..<br />
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Interestingly as I was reading your reply and also typing my previous response, the thought came to me that I could cover my head while in prayer if hubby is not home.. :)<br />
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Thank you also for reminding me of God's answer to prayer regarding the idols, He is so faithful.. you are absolutely right.<br />
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I believe this may be something I need to repent of...I'll turn to the Lord in prayer and He will show me...<br />
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God Bless you.. and Rod.. Carla Hi Linda,
Thank you for taki…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-06:1383940:Comment:6144982010-05-06T20:20:18.171ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
Hi Linda,<br />
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Thank you for taking time to notice my post.. This is something I will certainly pray about and ask the Lord to show me. If I am disobedient in any way than I want to know.<br />
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This I do know...<br />
Since my husband is a non-believer, it would make him very uncomfortable should I begin to follow in this custom of covering my head in prayer.<br />
I am almost constantly in prayer. so...When I am praying even during conversations with him, do I then excuse myself in order to cover my head so that I…
Hi Linda,<br />
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Thank you for taking time to notice my post.. This is something I will certainly pray about and ask the Lord to show me. If I am disobedient in any way than I want to know.<br />
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This I do know...<br />
Since my husband is a non-believer, it would make him very uncomfortable should I begin to follow in this custom of covering my head in prayer.<br />
I am almost constantly in prayer. so...When I am praying even during conversations with him, do I then excuse myself in order to cover my head so that I can pray? I believe that would make him extremely uncomfortable, and would likely even start a fight. I know that God comes first...but in this instance I would be acting out in rebellion by dishonoring my husband and putting him in a place of extreme discomfort.<br />
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If I do cover my head when I pray with a scarf, it would mean that I would have to do that when he is not home...which is still rather impractical..never mind when he is home. When he is home, I would not pray nearly as much as I do, just to avoid the confrontation that it would bring.<br />
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What do you think?....I'd like to hear the opinions of others also.<br />
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Blessings sis... Carla This article really helps cle…tag:www.allaboutgod.net,2010-05-06:1383940:Comment:6143772010-05-06T15:35:16.630ZCarlahttp://www.allaboutgod.net/profile/Carla
This article really helps clear up any confusion.. I should have read it first before my other post. :)
This article really helps clear up any confusion.. I should have read it first before my other post. :)